QUESTIONS #6



If the Sun and Stars Were Made on Day 4, What Was the Light of Day 1?

YES  THERE  REALLY  ARE  STILL  FUNDAMENTAL  THEOLOGY  TEACHERS  TODAY,  WHO  STILL  TRY  TO  PUT  THE  CREATION  OF  THE  WHOLE  UNIVERSE  INTO  THE  6  DAYS  OF  GENESIS  ONE.  I  HAVE  NOT  READ  YET  HOW  THEY  EXPLAIN  THE  EARTH  BEING  WITHOUT  FORM  AND  VOID,  AND  COVERED  WITH  WATER.  I  GUESS  THEY  MUST  THINK  GOD  CREATED  THE  EARTH  THAT  WAY - WITHOUT  FORM  AND  VOID  AND  COVERED  WITH  WATER.  WHICH  IS  CONTRADICTED  BY  ISAIAH  45:18;  WHERE  THE  SAME  HEBREW  WORDS  FOR  "VAIN"  AND  "FORMED"  ARE  IN  GENESIS  1:2;  AND  ISAIAH  SAYS  GOD  MADE  IT  TO  BE  INHABITED…..WELL  ALL  THAT  TRUTH  IS  COVERED  IN  OTHER  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE.  AND  THIS  ABOVE  THEOLOGY  OF  A  6  DAYS  UNIVERSE  CLAIMS  IT  WAS  ABOUT  6,000  YEARS  AGO  -  Keith Hunt


Light from the Sun and other stars is not the only way to illuminate the earth and produce day-night cycles. The light of Day 1 may have been a consequence of the instantaneous creation of matter. To understand why, some basics must first be explained.


NOTICE  THE  WORDS  "MAY  HAVE  BEEN…"  SO  MORE  THEORIES  AND  SPECULATIONS  WILL  NOW  COME  -  Keith Hunt


Before planets, plants, and people could be created, fundamental forces must be created including the gravitational force and the electrical force. All things on earth—rocks, the chair you are sitting in, and your body—are pulled toward the center of the earth by the gravitational force. The atoms in each object are also held together by electrical forces.


Gravity. The Bible seems to mention the beginning of gravitational forces. In describing earth's earliest state, Genesis 1:2 says, "And the earth was formless and void." The second half of that verse then states, "... the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters." Could the earth be formless but soon afterwards have a surface? Yes, if gravitational forces suddenly began acting to make a "formless" earth spherical.


NOTE  "SEEMS  TO  MENTION…"  -  ALL  COMPLETE  SPECULATION  ABOUT  GRAVITY.  OF  COURSE  GENESIS  DOES  GO  ON  TO  SAY  THE  LAND  AND  SEAS  WERE  FORMED.  BUT  DID  GOD  CREATE  EARTH  IN  A  MESS?  ISAIAH  SAYS  NO  NOT  AT  ALL.  GOD  HAD  A  PURPOSE  FOR  THE  EARTH,  AND  IT  WAS  CREATED  TO  BE  IMMEDIATELY  INHABITED….MORE  LATER  IN  OTHER  STUDIES  ON  THESE  QUESTION  POINTS  -  Keith Hunt  


The earth's particles, when created, would have been located at various distances from where they would finally rest after gravitational forces came into existence and pulled the particles together. Likewise, if atomic particles (electrons, protons, etc.) were not created in their equilibrium resting positions within atoms, the newly created electrical forces would have pulled electrons and protons—negatively and positively charged particles—toward each other to form atoms.


AGAIN  HUMAN  SPECULATION,  FOR  WITH  JUST  ONE  WORD  GOD  COULD  HAVE  BROUGHT  THE  EARTH  INTO  BEING….. KINDA  INSTANTLY;  FOR  IT  IS  WRITTEN  NOTHING  IS  IMPOSSIBLE  FOR  GOD  -  Keith Hunt


Electrons. Suppose electrons were created at various (even tiny) distances from what would become their first atoms. Negatively charged electrons would accelerate, or "ML" by electrical attraction toward positively charged nuclei. In doing so, they would emit light. Genesis 1:3 may be describing this: "Then God said, 'Let there be light', and there was light."


IT  IS  AGAIN  A  "MAYBE"  IDEA.  OBVIOUSLY  THE  EARTH  WAS  NOT  ONLY  COVERED  WITH  WATER  BUT  DARKNESS  WAS  UPON  THE  FACE  OF  THE  DEEP [verse 2].  THE  OPPOSITE  FROM  DARKNESS  IS  OF  COURSE  LIGHT  -  Keith Hunt


Whenever electrical charges accelerate, electromagnetic radiation—which can include visible light—is given off. That is how an antenna works. Electrons surge up and down the antenna at a particular frequency, causing radio, television, or other electromagnetic waves to radiate out at that frequency. If "a universe" of newly created electrons accelerated (or "fell") toward atomic nuclei, light with various frequencies would be radiated. When light reflects enough times off surrounding matter so everything reaches a common temperature, the space between that matter becomes filled with blackbody radiation.1 If that space later expands, that radiation's temperature will drop.


ONCE  MORE  HUMAN  SPECULATION  USED  HERE.  MAN'S  SCIENCE  WOULD  OR  COULD  LOOK  AT  IT  THIS  WAY,  BUT  THAT  DOES  NOT  MAKE  IT  AS  IT  HAPPENED.  GOD  GOES  ON  TO  SAY  IT  WAS  "DAY"  AND  "NIGHT"  THAT  WAS  BROUGHT  INTO  BEING.  WE  KNOW  WHAT  IS  DAY  AND  WHAT  IS  NIGHT,  AS  IT  EXISTS  WITH  US  TO  THIS  VERY  TIME.  GOD  CALLED  IT  "DAY"  AND  CALLED  IT  "NIGHT"  SO  THE  LOGIC  IS  IT  WAS  VERY  MUCH  LIKE  IT  IS  TODAY,  BUT  AS  WE  READ  FOR  DAY  2,  THERE  WAS  MUCH  "HUMIDITY"  MORE  THAN  ANY  HUMIDITY  WE  GET  TODAY  ANYWHERE  ON  EARTH,  FOR  GOD  DID  NEXT  A  DIVIDING  OF  THE  HUMIDITY,  BUT  STILL  DAY  WAS  DAY  AND  NIGHT  WAS  NIGHT;  THE  LIGHT  OF  DAY  WAS  THERE  BY  THE  SUN,  THE  NIGHT  OR  LIGHT  OF  NIGHT  WAS  THERE  BY  WHAT  WE  STILL  HAVE  TODAY,  THAT  CAN  GIVE  US  THE  NIGHT  OR  LIGHT  OF  THE  NIGHT.  THINGS  WERE  ALREADY  IN  PLACE  TO  DIVIDE  THE  "DAY"  FROM  THE  "NIGHT"  -  Keith Hunt


Two Perspectives


A Creation Perspective. The instant matter was created, a burst of light emanated from every particle in the universe. Light from one point on earth would reach other points in a tiny fraction of a second. The farther matter was from earth, the longer it would have taken for that light to reach earth. Just how long would depend on the velocity of light and how far matter extended from earth.


A  ROUND-ABOUT  WAY  OF  SAYING,  AS  GOD  DIRECTED  OR  COMMANDED,  LIGHT  WOULD  TRAVEL.  EVEN  IF  A  GALAXY  WAS  A  BILLION  LIGHT  YEARS  FROM  EARTH,  GOD  COULD  JUST  COMMAND  AND  ITS  LIGHT  WOULD  REACH  EARTH  AT  THE  WORD  OF  THE  COMMAND  -  Keith Hunt


Visualize an observer sitting in a rowboat on a very large, glassy-smooth lake. At one instant, pebbles fall uniformly onto the entire lake. Assume that only one wave ripples out from each pebble's splash. Waves that began nearest the rowboat strike the boat first. As time passes, waves that began farther and farther out strike the boat. For the observer in the boat, the waves hitting the boat at any instant appear to have begun from an imaginary ring centered on the boat, a ring that expands over time at "wave velocity."


HUMAN  REASONINGS,  GOD  DOES  NOT  HAVE  TO  ACT  AS  WE  HUMANS  REASON  -  Keith Hunt


Now imagine a similar situation, but in three dimensions. An observer in the vacuum of outer space sees a constant stream of light coming from all directions—all emitted at the instant matter was created. It will appear to the observer that the light originated from an imaginary spherical shell with the observer at its center. The sphere's radius increases at the speed of light, but the observer receives the same amount of radiation—from all directions and at all times. This is because the expanding sphere's increasing area exactly balances the reduction in the radiations intensity due to the increasing distance the light has traveled.


AGAIN  HUMAN  REASONINGS.  WE  HAVE  SEEN  THERE  WERE  "BEGINNINGS" [PERIODS  AS  FENTON  PUT  IT]  OF  CREATIONS.  AS  GOD  WILLED,  WHEN  AND  HOW  HE  WILLED  -  Keith Hunt


If, before space was stretched out, matter was created with positive and negative charges accelerating toward each other, we would see almost identical blackbody radiation coming from all directions. Such radiation was discovered in 1965 and is called the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) Radiation. Its temperature today corresponds to a very cold 2.73 kelvins (-454.76°F). 


SO  WHAT?  WHAT  APPEARS  TODAY  MAY  NOT  HAVE  BEEN  WHAT  WAS;  WE  SIMPLY  DO  NOT  KNOW  WHAT  WAS  IN  THE  BEGINNINGS  -  Keith Hunt


What would this light have looked like before the Sun, Moon, and stars were made on Day 4 and before the heavens were stretched out? The initial burst of light from matter comprising the "formless" earth would disappear in less than a second. However, light would then reach earth from the surrounding sphere that expanded from earth at the velocity of light. Seconds or minutes later, light would arrive from the newly created matter from which the Sun would be made on Day 4. Hours later—and before the heavens were stretched out—light would begin arriving from matter that would form the bulk of the stars in our Milky Way Galaxy.


DO  YOU  SEE  THE  CLEAR  TEACHING  HERE?  MANY  FUNDAMENTAL  PROTESTANTS  TEACH  THE  UNIVERSE  WAS  CREATED  ABOUT  6,000  YEARS  AGO [WITH  ARCHBISHOP  "USHER"  CHRONOLOGY  OF  THE  BIBLE,  OF  4004  B.C.  FOR  ADAM  AND  EVE  -  WHICH  IS  INCORRECT]  AND  WITHIN  6  DAYS  -  Keith Hunt


This bright, temporary source of light, from matter that could become our galaxy, would be concentrated in a ''particular portion of the sky." Earth, rotating since its creation on Day l, would experience day-night cycles even before the Sun was created on Day 4. Today, thousands of years after that first day when matter was created throughout the universe, the CMB reaching earth is uniformly spread out over the entire sky. This is because blackbody radiation uniformly filled otherwise empty space on Days 1-3, before the heavens were stretched out. Since Day 4, the Sun has been earths dominant light source.


ALL  PRETTY  WELL  WRONG!  SEE  HOW  FENTON  TRANSLATED  THE  HEBREW  IN  THE  CONTEXT  OF  THE  SUN,  MOON,  STARS.  GOD  HAD  ALREADY  CREATED  THEM.  THE  FULL  DARKNESS  ON  THE  EARTH  OVER  THE  DEPTH  OF  THE  WATERS,  WAS  MOVED  AWAY,  SO  THERE  WAS  "DAY"  AND  "NIGHT"  -  SO  THE  SUN,  MOON,  AND  STARS,  COULD  SHINE  THROUGH,  EVEN  THROUGH  THE  EXTREME  HUMIDITY,  WHICH  WAS  DIVIDED  FROM  SEAS  TO  HEAVENLY  CLOUDS  ON  DAY  2  -  Keith Hunt


The Big Bang Perspective. The big bang theory, whose popularity is largely due to its explanation for the CMB, gives another explanation. Within a tiny fraction of a second after the big bang, the universe was about the size of a basketball and was expanding trillions of billions of times faster than the speed of light today. Minutes later, matter and energy came together to form hydrogen nuclei.


Matter, during that time, was so compressed and temperatures were so hot that most nuclei would have merged to form heavier nuclei such as carbon, iron, and uranium. However, because hydrogen is by far the most abundant element in the universe today something must have prevented this nuclear fusion. Intense background radiation would do the job, as Nobel prize winner Steven Weinberg explains:


[Before CMB was discovered, James Peebles, an early big bang researcher] noted that if there had not been an intense background of radiation present during the first few minutes of the universe, nuclear reactions would have proceeded so rapidly that a large fraction of the hydrogen present would have been "cooked" into heavier elements, in contradiction with the fact that about three-quarters of the present universe is hydrogen. This rapid nuclear cooking could have been prevented only if the universe was filled with radiation having an enormous equivalent temperature at very short wavelengths, which could blast nuclei apart as fast as they could be formed?1 Notice: CMB was needed to make the big bang theory work—as were "dark matter" and "dark energy." 


ONCE  AGAIN  HUMAN  MIND-SET  BASED  UPON  WHAT  HUMANS  SEE  TODAY,  SO  TO  THE  EVOLUTION  SCIENTISTS,  THIS  IS  HOW  THE  PHYSICAL  MUST  HAVE  HAPPENED  IN  THE  BEGINNING.  ALL  BASED  UPON  THE  PHYSICAL  AS  TO  WHAT  WE  SEE  TODAY.  BUT  GOD  IS  ABOVE  AND  BEYOND  THE  PHYSICAL;  HE  DOES  NOT  HAVE  TO  OBEY  CERTAIN  PHYSICAL  LAWS  MAN  SEES  AROUND  US  TODAY;  HE  CAN  DO  ANYTHING,  ANYTIME,  IN  WHATEVER  WAY  HE  CHOOSES;  HE  SPEAKS  THE  WORD  AND  IT  IS  DONE,  WITH  ALL  THE  VAST  AMOUNT  OF  VARIETY  HE  WISHES.  JUST  LOOK  AT  OUR  TINY  SOLAR  SYSTEM  AND  NOTE  ALL  THE  VARIETY,  WHICH  INCLUDES  ONE  PLANET  THAT  HAS  NO  LAND  SURFACE  TO  SET  FOOT  ON,  BUT  WE  STILL  CALL  IT  A  PLANET.  THE  VARIETY  IS  GREAT  AS  THAT  VARIETY  FORMS  AND  MOVES  AND  IS  HELD  THERE  BY  THE  LAWS  SET  FOR  IT  FROM  THE  ETERNAL  GOD  -  Keith Hunt



Smoothness of the CMB


The CMB is remarkably smooth, so smooth that for 25 years after its discovery, no variations could be detected. Increasingly precise instruments were designed and launched into space to look for variations in the CMB's intensity, because the big bang theory said they had to be there. Without billions of large concentrations of matter (from which most CMB radiated), other matter could not gravitationally contract around those concentrations to form the untold billions of galaxies. If galaxies did not form, we would not be here!


OF  COURSE  THE  UNIVERSE  FORMED  INTO  GALAXIES  ETC.  ALL  THAT  WE  SEE  IN  THE  UNIVERSE  TODAY.  BUT  CONSTANT  TODAY  AS  MEN  MEASURE  CONSTANT,  DOES  NOT  PROVE  IT  WAS  ALWAYS  THAT  WAY  FROM  THE  "BEGINNINGS"  -  AND  AT  THE  END  TIME  CONSTANT  WILL  BECOME  UN-CONSTANT  AS  GOD  SHAKES  THE  HEAVENS  AND  THE  EARTH  -  Keith Hunt


Finally, after 25 years of searching, variations amounting to only one part in 100,000 were found. However, experts recognized that such weak concentrations, even after hundreds of billions of years, could not have pulled in enough matter to form galaxies.


SO  YES  GOD  SPOKE  AND  IT  WAS  DONE,  AS  HE  WISHED  IN  THE  BEGINNINGS  -  Keith Hunt


But this uniformity [in the CMB] is difficult to reconcile with the obvious clumping of matter into galaxies, clusters of galaxies and even larger features extending across vast regions of the universe, such as "walls" and "bubbles."3


SO  GOD  DOES  NOT  HAVE  TO  GO  BY  MAN  OBSERVED  "CONSTANTS"  OR  "LAWS"  OR  WHATEVER.  GOD  DOES  WHAT  HE  DOES  HOW  AND  WHEN  HE  DECIDES  TO  DO  IT  -  Keith Hunt


Why was [the CMB in] the early universe asymmetric by such a small amount? This is one of the outstanding puzzles' of the Big Bang theory.4


THE  BIG  BANG  IS  ONLY  CORRECT  IN  THAT  PHYSICAL  MATTER  CAME  OUT  OF  NOTHING;  A  POINT  WHICH  NOW  REALLY  BEFUDDLES   THE  EVOLUTIONIST  MIND-SET  -  Keith Hunt


The theorists know of no way such a monster [a massive accumulation of galaxies, called the Great Wall] could have condensed in the time available since the Big Bang, especially considering that the 2.7K background radiation reveals a universe that was very homogeneous in the beginning.5


YES  THERE  WAS  NO  BIG  BANG  AS  THE  EVOLUTIONISTS  TEACH  IT  -  Keith Hunt


Gravity can't, over the age of the universe, amplify these [tiny] irregularities enough [to form huge clusters of galaxies].6


BUT  GOD  CAN  WITH  THE  COMMAND  OF  HIS  VOICE  -  Keith Hunt


Furthermore, the Hubble Space Telescope has photographed the extreme edges of the visible universe. Most experts expected to see diffuse matter slowly gravitating together to form galaxies. This is what one would expect if the extremely smooth CMB was left over from the big bang. Instead, galaxies were already "bunched together"— having formed very early in the history of the universe.... tremendously distant galaxies are just as clustered as today and are arranged in the same filamentary, bubbly structures that nearby galaxies are?


GOD  CREATED  THEM  AS  WHOLE  GALAXIES  AND  ETC.  AT  THE  COMMAND  OF  HIS  VOICE  IN  THE  BEGINNINGS…. IN  THE  PERIODS  GOD  MADE  EVERYTHING,  AS  HE  WILLED  IT  -  Keith Hunt


In each of the five patches of sky surveyed by the team, the distant galaxies bunch together instead of being distributed randomly in space. "The work is ongoing but what we're able to say now is that galaxies we are seeing at great distances are as strongly clustered in the early universe as they are today," says [Charles C] Steidel, who is at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.8


YES  THERE  WAS  NO  SLOW  BILLIONS  OF  YEARS  FORMATION  TO  MAKE  GALAXIES  ETC.  AS  THE   EVOLUTIONISTS  TEACH  IT  -  Keith Hunt


Conclusion


Is the CMB (1) left over from the big bang, (2) radiation emitted for a brief instant from all created matter, or (3) something else? Both (1) and (2) place the CMB at the beginning of time and attribute the radiations current low.


If the Sun and Stars Were Made on Day 4, What Was the Light of Day 1 ?  335

effective temperature (2.73 kelvins, or -454.76°F) to an expansion of space.


BUT  THE  SUN  AND  STARS  WERE  NOT  MADE  ON  DAY  4.  THEY  WERE  ALREADY  THERE!  THE  IDEA  BY  BROWN  IS  THE  TEACHING  OF  "CREATIONISTS"  AS  THEY  ARE  SOMETIMES  CALLED  -  THOSE  WHO  HOLD  THE  UNIVERSE  WAS  CREATED  IN  6  DAYS  AND  ABOUT  6,000  YEARS  AGO  -  Keith Hunt


The big bang's explanation for the CMB has several widely recognized problems.


The CMB, when viewed over the entire sky, is thousands of times too smooth to have produced the galaxies we see today, even after billions of years.


The most distant galaxies seen are tightly clustered, much more than gravity could accomplish over the big bang's age of the universe.


According to the big bang theory, there is no reason why radiation from opposite sides of the universe should be identical, because radiating matter that far apart could not have reached thermal equilibrium. However, if the CMB is a natural consequence of the creation of matter within a very compact universe that was later stretched out, identical radiation would be expected.


TRUE  IN  THE  FIRST  PART  FOR  BROWM.  BUT  SPECULATION  ON  HIS  PART  IN  THE  SECOND  HALF;  GOD  CAN  DO  WHATEVER  HE  LIKES,  WHEN  HE  LIKES  AND  HOW  HE  LIKES;  IT  DOES  NOT  HAVE  TO  BE  A  CREATION  OF  MATTER  WITHIN  A  VERY  COMPACT  UNIVERSE  THAT  WAS  LATER  STRETCHED  OUT.  GOD  CREATED  IN  THE  PLURAL  "BEGINNINGS"  -  BY  PERIODS,  AND  IF  WE  HAVE  IDENTICAL  RADIATION,  THEN  THAT  WAS  GOD'S  CHOICE,  SUCH  AS  THERE  IS  GRAVITY  IN  ALL  PARTS  OF  THE  UNIVERSE,  OTHERWISE  GALAXIES,  SOLAR  SYSTEMS  WOULD  NOT  EXIST  AS  THEY  DO  -  Keith Hunt


All of this does not necessarily mean that the explanation proposed here for the light of Day 1 is correct. 


WELL  HOW  ABOUT  THAT!  HE  ADMITS  IT  IS  ALL  SPECULATION  -  Keith Hunt


However, if one considers the many other problems with the big bang theory—a discussion that begins on page 30—the two choices described here are reduced to one. (Other possibilities, usually of a non-quantitative, non-testable nature and having nothing to do with the CMB, have been proposed for the "light of Day 1")


I  HAVE  GIVEN  YOU  THE  LOGICAL  "DAY"  AND  "NIGHT"  -  GOD  CALLED  IT  SO.  WE  HUMANS  DID  NOT  INVENT  "DAY"  AND  "NIGHT"  -  WE  KNOW  FROM  LIVING  IN  IT  WHAT  IS  "DAY"  AND  "NIGHT"  -  SO  IT  WAS  FROM  DAY  ONE  OF  GENESIS  ONE.  THE  THINGS  IN  THE  HEAVENS  THAT  MAKE  DAY  AND  NIGHT  WERE  ALREADY  IN  EXISTENCE  -  Keith Hunt


Yes, there is much we do not know about light and the beginning hours and days of the universe. However, faulty ideas should be exposed and superior ideas presented, even if they are not the final answer. Otherwise, incorrect ideas are accepted by default—reinforcing the reigning paradigm.


HENCE  INDEED  THE  BIG  BANG  IS  INCORRECT,  BUT  SO  ARE  A  LOTS  OF  BROWN'S  AND  "CREATION  SCIENTISTS"  INCORRECT  -  Keith Hunt


The subject is not unimportant. God asked Job (Job 38:19-20), "Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, that you may take it to its territory, and that you may discern the paths to its home?' Just as Job could not answer those questions and others related to creation (Job 38), we also fall short—even though we better understand light and just how immense the universe is today.

One thing is clear: on Day 1, three days before the Sun and all stars were made—or before the creation of all stars was completed9—a temporary light source illuminated the spinning earth and provided day-night cycles.

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NO  THERE  WAS  NO  TEMPORARY  LIGHT  SOURCE;  NO  THE  SUN  AND  MOON  AND  STARS  WERE  NOT  MADE  ON  THE  4TH  DAY.  WE  CAN  KNOW  THE  BASIC  TRUTH  OF  GENESIS  ONE;  ESPECIALLY  THE  FIRST  FEW  VERSES.  OTHER  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  SHOW  YOU  THERE  WAS  A   COVERING  CHERUBIM  WHO  WAS  GIVEN  CHARGE  OF  THIS E ARTH;  HE  WANTED  MORE;  HE  WAS  ABLE  TO  GET  1/3  OF  THE  ANGELS  TO  FOLLOW  HIM;  THEY  BECAME  DEMONS,  HE  BECAME  SATAN  THE  DEVIL.  HE  WANTED  THE  VERY  THRONE  OF  GOD.  THERE  WAS  WAR  IN  THE  HEAVENS  AS  THERE  WILL  BE  AGAIN  [REV.  12]  BEFORE  THE  END  OF  THIS  AGE.  THE  EARTH  WAS  SHAKEN;  DESTROYED  WITH  A  WORLDWIDE  FLOOD;  THE  AGE  OF  THE  DINOSAURS  CAME  TO  AN  END.  THE  EARTH  WAS  WITHOUT  FORM  AND  VOID  AND  DARKNESS  WAS  UPON  THE  FACE  OF  THE  DEPTH  OF  THE  WATERS.  THEN  WE  HAVE  WHAT  THE  REST  OF  GENESIS  ONE  GIVES  US


Keith Hunt