If the Sun and Stars Were Made on Day 4, What Was the Light of Day 1?
YES THERE REALLY ARE STILL FUNDAMENTAL THEOLOGY TEACHERS TODAY, WHO STILL TRY TO PUT THE CREATION OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE INTO THE 6 DAYS OF GENESIS ONE. I HAVE NOT READ YET HOW THEY EXPLAIN THE EARTH BEING WITHOUT FORM AND VOID, AND COVERED WITH WATER. I GUESS THEY MUST THINK GOD CREATED THE EARTH THAT WAY - WITHOUT FORM AND VOID AND COVERED WITH WATER. WHICH IS CONTRADICTED BY ISAIAH 45:18; WHERE THE SAME HEBREW WORDS FOR "VAIN" AND "FORMED" ARE IN GENESIS 1:2; AND ISAIAH SAYS GOD MADE IT TO BE INHABITED…..WELL ALL THAT TRUTH IS COVERED IN OTHER STUDIES ON THIS WEBSITE. AND THIS ABOVE THEOLOGY OF A 6 DAYS UNIVERSE CLAIMS IT WAS ABOUT 6,000 YEARS AGO - Keith Hunt
Light from the Sun and other stars is not the only way to illuminate the earth and produce day-night cycles. The light of Day 1 may have been a consequence of the instantaneous creation of matter. To understand why, some basics must first be explained.
NOTICE THE WORDS "MAY HAVE BEEN…" SO MORE THEORIES AND SPECULATIONS WILL NOW COME - Keith Hunt
Before planets, plants, and people could be created, fundamental forces must be created including the gravitational force and the electrical force. All things on earth—rocks, the chair you are sitting in, and your body—are pulled toward the center of the earth by the gravitational force. The atoms in each object are also held together by electrical forces.
Gravity. The Bible seems to mention the beginning of gravitational forces. In describing earth's earliest state, Genesis 1:2 says, "And the earth was formless and void." The second half of that verse then states, "... the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters." Could the earth be formless but soon afterwards have a surface? Yes, if gravitational forces suddenly began acting to make a "formless" earth spherical.
NOTE "SEEMS TO MENTION…" - ALL COMPLETE SPECULATION ABOUT GRAVITY. OF COURSE GENESIS DOES GO ON TO SAY THE LAND AND SEAS WERE FORMED. BUT DID GOD CREATE EARTH IN A MESS? ISAIAH SAYS NO NOT AT ALL. GOD HAD A PURPOSE FOR THE EARTH, AND IT WAS CREATED TO BE IMMEDIATELY INHABITED….MORE LATER IN OTHER STUDIES ON THESE QUESTION POINTS - Keith Hunt
The earth's particles, when created, would have been located at various distances from where they would finally rest after gravitational forces came into existence and pulled the particles together. Likewise, if atomic particles (electrons, protons, etc.) were not created in their equilibrium resting positions within atoms, the newly created electrical forces would have pulled electrons and protons—negatively and positively charged particles—toward each other to form atoms.
AGAIN HUMAN SPECULATION, FOR WITH JUST ONE WORD GOD COULD HAVE BROUGHT THE EARTH INTO BEING….. KINDA INSTANTLY; FOR IT IS WRITTEN NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD - Keith Hunt
Electrons. Suppose electrons were created at various (even tiny) distances from what would become their first atoms. Negatively charged electrons would accelerate, or "ML" by electrical attraction toward positively charged nuclei. In doing so, they would emit light. Genesis 1:3 may be describing this: "Then God said, 'Let there be light', and there was light."
IT IS AGAIN A "MAYBE" IDEA. OBVIOUSLY THE EARTH WAS NOT ONLY COVERED WITH WATER BUT DARKNESS WAS UPON THE FACE OF THE DEEP [verse 2]. THE OPPOSITE FROM DARKNESS IS OF COURSE LIGHT - Keith Hunt
Whenever electrical charges accelerate, electromagnetic radiation—which can include visible light—is given off. That is how an antenna works. Electrons surge up and down the antenna at a particular frequency, causing radio, television, or other electromagnetic waves to radiate out at that frequency. If "a universe" of newly created electrons accelerated (or "fell") toward atomic nuclei, light with various frequencies would be radiated. When light reflects enough times off surrounding matter so everything reaches a common temperature, the space between that matter becomes filled with blackbody radiation.1 If that space later expands, that radiation's temperature will drop.
ONCE MORE HUMAN SPECULATION USED HERE. MAN'S SCIENCE WOULD OR COULD LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT AS IT HAPPENED. GOD GOES ON TO SAY IT WAS "DAY" AND "NIGHT" THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO BEING. WE KNOW WHAT IS DAY AND WHAT IS NIGHT, AS IT EXISTS WITH US TO THIS VERY TIME. GOD CALLED IT "DAY" AND CALLED IT "NIGHT" SO THE LOGIC IS IT WAS VERY MUCH LIKE IT IS TODAY, BUT AS WE READ FOR DAY 2, THERE WAS MUCH "HUMIDITY" MORE THAN ANY HUMIDITY WE GET TODAY ANYWHERE ON EARTH, FOR GOD DID NEXT A DIVIDING OF THE HUMIDITY, BUT STILL DAY WAS DAY AND NIGHT WAS NIGHT; THE LIGHT OF DAY WAS THERE BY THE SUN, THE NIGHT OR LIGHT OF NIGHT WAS THERE BY WHAT WE STILL HAVE TODAY, THAT CAN GIVE US THE NIGHT OR LIGHT OF THE NIGHT. THINGS WERE ALREADY IN PLACE TO DIVIDE THE "DAY" FROM THE "NIGHT" - Keith Hunt
A Creation Perspective. The instant matter was created, a burst of light emanated from every particle in the universe. Light from one point on earth would reach other points in a tiny fraction of a second. The farther matter was from earth, the longer it would have taken for that light to reach earth. Just how long would depend on the velocity of light and how far matter extended from earth.
A ROUND-ABOUT WAY OF SAYING, AS GOD DIRECTED OR COMMANDED, LIGHT WOULD TRAVEL. EVEN IF A GALAXY WAS A BILLION LIGHT YEARS FROM EARTH, GOD COULD JUST COMMAND AND ITS LIGHT WOULD REACH EARTH AT THE WORD OF THE COMMAND - Keith Hunt
Visualize an observer sitting in a rowboat on a very large, glassy-smooth lake. At one instant, pebbles fall uniformly onto the entire lake. Assume that only one wave ripples out from each pebble's splash. Waves that began nearest the rowboat strike the boat first. As time passes, waves that began farther and farther out strike the boat. For the observer in the boat, the waves hitting the boat at any instant appear to have begun from an imaginary ring centered on the boat, a ring that expands over time at "wave velocity."
HUMAN REASONINGS, GOD DOES NOT HAVE TO ACT AS WE HUMANS REASON - Keith Hunt
Now imagine a similar situation, but in three dimensions. An observer in the vacuum of outer space sees a constant stream of light coming from all directions—all emitted at the instant matter was created. It will appear to the observer that the light originated from an imaginary spherical shell with the observer at its center. The sphere's radius increases at the speed of light, but the observer receives the same amount of radiation—from all directions and at all times. This is because the expanding sphere's increasing area exactly balances the reduction in the radiations intensity due to the increasing distance the light has traveled.
AGAIN HUMAN REASONINGS. WE HAVE SEEN THERE WERE "BEGINNINGS" [PERIODS AS FENTON PUT IT] OF CREATIONS. AS GOD WILLED, WHEN AND HOW HE WILLED - Keith Hunt
If, before space was stretched out, matter was created with positive and negative charges accelerating toward each other, we would see almost identical blackbody radiation coming from all directions. Such radiation was discovered in 1965 and is called the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) Radiation. Its temperature today corresponds to a very cold 2.73 kelvins (-454.76°F).
SO WHAT? WHAT APPEARS TODAY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WHAT WAS; WE SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE BEGINNINGS - Keith Hunt
What would this light have looked like before the Sun, Moon, and stars were made on Day 4 and before the heavens were stretched out? The initial burst of light from matter comprising the "formless" earth would disappear in less than a second. However, light would then reach earth from the surrounding sphere that expanded from earth at the velocity of light. Seconds or minutes later, light would arrive from the newly created matter from which the Sun would be made on Day 4. Hours later—and before the heavens were stretched out—light would begin arriving from matter that would form the bulk of the stars in our Milky Way Galaxy.
DO YOU SEE THE CLEAR TEACHING HERE? MANY FUNDAMENTAL PROTESTANTS TEACH THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED ABOUT 6,000 YEARS AGO [WITH ARCHBISHOP "USHER" CHRONOLOGY OF THE BIBLE, OF 4004 B.C. FOR ADAM AND EVE - WHICH IS INCORRECT] AND WITHIN 6 DAYS - Keith Hunt
This bright, temporary source of light, from matter that could become our galaxy, would be concentrated in a ''particular portion of the sky." Earth, rotating since its creation on Day l, would experience day-night cycles even before the Sun was created on Day 4. Today, thousands of years after that first day when matter was created throughout the universe, the CMB reaching earth is uniformly spread out over the entire sky. This is because blackbody radiation uniformly filled otherwise empty space on Days 1-3, before the heavens were stretched out. Since Day 4, the Sun has been earths dominant light source.
ALL PRETTY WELL WRONG! SEE HOW FENTON TRANSLATED THE HEBREW IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SUN, MOON, STARS. GOD HAD ALREADY CREATED THEM. THE FULL DARKNESS ON THE EARTH OVER THE DEPTH OF THE WATERS, WAS MOVED AWAY, SO THERE WAS "DAY" AND "NIGHT" - SO THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS, COULD SHINE THROUGH, EVEN THROUGH THE EXTREME HUMIDITY, WHICH WAS DIVIDED FROM SEAS TO HEAVENLY CLOUDS ON DAY 2 - Keith Hunt
The Big Bang Perspective. The big bang theory, whose popularity is largely due to its explanation for the CMB, gives another explanation. Within a tiny fraction of a second after the big bang, the universe was about the size of a basketball and was expanding trillions of billions of times faster than the speed of light today. Minutes later, matter and energy came together to form hydrogen nuclei.
Matter, during that time, was so compressed and temperatures were so hot that most nuclei would have merged to form heavier nuclei such as carbon, iron, and uranium. However, because hydrogen is by far the most abundant element in the universe today something must have prevented this nuclear fusion. Intense background radiation would do the job, as Nobel prize winner Steven Weinberg explains:
[Before CMB was discovered, James Peebles, an early big bang researcher] noted that if there had not been an intense background of radiation present during the first few minutes of the universe, nuclear reactions would have proceeded so rapidly that a large fraction of the hydrogen present would have been "cooked" into heavier elements, in contradiction with the fact that about three-quarters of the present universe is hydrogen. This rapid nuclear cooking could have been prevented only if the universe was filled with radiation having an enormous equivalent temperature at very short wavelengths, which could blast nuclei apart as fast as they could be formed?1 Notice: CMB was needed to make the big bang theory work—as were "dark matter" and "dark energy."
ONCE AGAIN HUMAN MIND-SET BASED UPON WHAT HUMANS SEE TODAY, SO TO THE EVOLUTION SCIENTISTS, THIS IS HOW THE PHYSICAL MUST HAVE HAPPENED IN THE BEGINNING. ALL BASED UPON THE PHYSICAL AS TO WHAT WE SEE TODAY. BUT GOD IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PHYSICAL; HE DOES NOT HAVE TO OBEY CERTAIN PHYSICAL LAWS MAN SEES AROUND US TODAY; HE CAN DO ANYTHING, ANYTIME, IN WHATEVER WAY HE CHOOSES; HE SPEAKS THE WORD AND IT IS DONE, WITH ALL THE VAST AMOUNT OF VARIETY HE WISHES. JUST LOOK AT OUR TINY SOLAR SYSTEM AND NOTE ALL THE VARIETY, WHICH INCLUDES ONE PLANET THAT HAS NO LAND SURFACE TO SET FOOT ON, BUT WE STILL CALL IT A PLANET. THE VARIETY IS GREAT AS THAT VARIETY FORMS AND MOVES AND IS HELD THERE BY THE LAWS SET FOR IT FROM THE ETERNAL GOD - Keith Hunt
Smoothness of the CMB
The CMB is remarkably smooth, so smooth that for 25 years after its discovery, no variations could be detected. Increasingly precise instruments were designed and launched into space to look for variations in the CMB's intensity, because the big bang theory said they had to be there. Without billions of large concentrations of matter (from which most CMB radiated), other matter could not gravitationally contract around those concentrations to form the untold billions of galaxies. If galaxies did not form, we would not be here!
OF COURSE THE UNIVERSE FORMED INTO GALAXIES ETC. ALL THAT WE SEE IN THE UNIVERSE TODAY. BUT CONSTANT TODAY AS MEN MEASURE CONSTANT, DOES NOT PROVE IT WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY FROM THE "BEGINNINGS" - AND AT THE END TIME CONSTANT WILL BECOME UN-CONSTANT AS GOD SHAKES THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH - Keith Hunt
Finally, after 25 years of searching, variations amounting to only one part in 100,000 were found. However, experts recognized that such weak concentrations, even after hundreds of billions of years, could not have pulled in enough matter to form galaxies.
SO YES GOD SPOKE AND IT WAS DONE, AS HE WISHED IN THE BEGINNINGS - Keith Hunt
But this uniformity [in the CMB] is difficult to reconcile with the obvious clumping of matter into galaxies, clusters of galaxies and even larger features extending across vast regions of the universe, such as "walls" and "bubbles."3
SO GOD DOES NOT HAVE TO GO BY MAN OBSERVED "CONSTANTS" OR "LAWS" OR WHATEVER. GOD DOES WHAT HE DOES HOW AND WHEN HE DECIDES TO DO IT - Keith Hunt
Why was [the CMB in] the early universe asymmetric by such a small amount? This is one of the outstanding puzzles' of the Big Bang theory.4
THE BIG BANG IS ONLY CORRECT IN THAT PHYSICAL MATTER CAME OUT OF NOTHING; A POINT WHICH NOW REALLY BEFUDDLES THE EVOLUTIONIST MIND-SET - Keith Hunt
The theorists know of no way such a monster [a massive accumulation of galaxies, called the Great Wall] could have condensed in the time available since the Big Bang, especially considering that the 2.7K background radiation reveals a universe that was very homogeneous in the beginning.5
YES THERE WAS NO BIG BANG AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS TEACH IT - Keith Hunt
Gravity can't, over the age of the universe, amplify these [tiny] irregularities enough [to form huge clusters of galaxies].6
BUT GOD CAN WITH THE COMMAND OF HIS VOICE - Keith Hunt
Furthermore, the Hubble Space Telescope has photographed the extreme edges of the visible universe. Most experts expected to see diffuse matter slowly gravitating together to form galaxies. This is what one would expect if the extremely smooth CMB was left over from the big bang. Instead, galaxies were already "bunched together"— having formed very early in the history of the universe.... tremendously distant galaxies are just as clustered as today and are arranged in the same filamentary, bubbly structures that nearby galaxies are?
GOD CREATED THEM AS WHOLE GALAXIES AND ETC. AT THE COMMAND OF HIS VOICE IN THE BEGINNINGS…. IN THE PERIODS GOD MADE EVERYTHING, AS HE WILLED IT - Keith Hunt
In each of the five patches of sky surveyed by the team, the distant galaxies bunch together instead of being distributed randomly in space. "The work is ongoing but what we're able to say now is that galaxies we are seeing at great distances are as strongly clustered in the early universe as they are today," says [Charles C] Steidel, who is at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.8
YES THERE WAS NO SLOW BILLIONS OF YEARS FORMATION TO MAKE GALAXIES ETC. AS THE EVOLUTIONISTS TEACH IT - Keith Hunt
Is the CMB (1) left over from the big bang, (2) radiation emitted for a brief instant from all created matter, or (3) something else? Both (1) and (2) place the CMB at the beginning of time and attribute the radiations current low.
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effective temperature (2.73 kelvins, or -454.76°F) to an expansion of space.
BUT THE SUN AND STARS WERE NOT MADE ON DAY 4. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE! THE IDEA BY BROWN IS THE TEACHING OF "CREATIONISTS" AS THEY ARE SOMETIMES CALLED - THOSE WHO HOLD THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED IN 6 DAYS AND ABOUT 6,000 YEARS AGO - Keith Hunt
The big bang's explanation for the CMB has several widely recognized problems.
The CMB, when viewed over the entire sky, is thousands of times too smooth to have produced the galaxies we see today, even after billions of years.
The most distant galaxies seen are tightly clustered, much more than gravity could accomplish over the big bang's age of the universe.
According to the big bang theory, there is no reason why radiation from opposite sides of the universe should be identical, because radiating matter that far apart could not have reached thermal equilibrium. However, if the CMB is a natural consequence of the creation of matter within a very compact universe that was later stretched out, identical radiation would be expected.
TRUE IN THE FIRST PART FOR BROWM. BUT SPECULATION ON HIS PART IN THE SECOND HALF; GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE LIKES, WHEN HE LIKES AND HOW HE LIKES; IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A CREATION OF MATTER WITHIN A VERY COMPACT UNIVERSE THAT WAS LATER STRETCHED OUT. GOD CREATED IN THE PLURAL "BEGINNINGS" - BY PERIODS, AND IF WE HAVE IDENTICAL RADIATION, THEN THAT WAS GOD'S CHOICE, SUCH AS THERE IS GRAVITY IN ALL PARTS OF THE UNIVERSE, OTHERWISE GALAXIES, SOLAR SYSTEMS WOULD NOT EXIST AS THEY DO - Keith Hunt
All of this does not necessarily mean that the explanation proposed here for the light of Day 1 is correct.
WELL HOW ABOUT THAT! HE ADMITS IT IS ALL SPECULATION - Keith Hunt
However, if one considers the many other problems with the big bang theory—a discussion that begins on page 30—the two choices described here are reduced to one. (Other possibilities, usually of a non-quantitative, non-testable nature and having nothing to do with the CMB, have been proposed for the "light of Day 1")
I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE LOGICAL "DAY" AND "NIGHT" - GOD CALLED IT SO. WE HUMANS DID NOT INVENT "DAY" AND "NIGHT" - WE KNOW FROM LIVING IN IT WHAT IS "DAY" AND "NIGHT" - SO IT WAS FROM DAY ONE OF GENESIS ONE. THE THINGS IN THE HEAVENS THAT MAKE DAY AND NIGHT WERE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE - Keith Hunt
Yes, there is much we do not know about light and the beginning hours and days of the universe. However, faulty ideas should be exposed and superior ideas presented, even if they are not the final answer. Otherwise, incorrect ideas are accepted by default—reinforcing the reigning paradigm.
HENCE INDEED THE BIG BANG IS INCORRECT, BUT SO ARE A LOTS OF BROWN'S AND "CREATION SCIENTISTS" INCORRECT - Keith Hunt
The subject is not unimportant. God asked Job (Job 38:19-20), "Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, that you may take it to its territory, and that you may discern the paths to its home?' Just as Job could not answer those questions and others related to creation (Job 38), we also fall short—even though we better understand light and just how immense the universe is today.
One thing is clear: on Day 1, three days before the Sun and all stars were made—or before the creation of all stars was completed9—a temporary light source illuminated the spinning earth and provided day-night cycles.
NO THERE WAS NO TEMPORARY LIGHT SOURCE; NO THE SUN AND MOON AND STARS WERE NOT MADE ON THE 4TH DAY. WE CAN KNOW THE BASIC TRUTH OF GENESIS ONE; ESPECIALLY THE FIRST FEW VERSES. OTHER STUDIES ON THIS WEBSITE SHOW YOU THERE WAS A COVERING CHERUBIM WHO WAS GIVEN CHARGE OF THIS E ARTH; HE WANTED MORE; HE WAS ABLE TO GET 1/3 OF THE ANGELS TO FOLLOW HIM; THEY BECAME DEMONS, HE BECAME SATAN THE DEVIL. HE WANTED THE VERY THRONE OF GOD. THERE WAS WAR IN THE HEAVENS AS THERE WILL BE AGAIN [REV. 12] BEFORE THE END OF THIS AGE. THE EARTH WAS SHAKEN; DESTROYED WITH A WORLDWIDE FLOOD; THE AGE OF THE DINOSAURS CAME TO AN END. THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM AND VOID AND DARKNESS WAS UPON THE FACE OF THE DEPTH OF THE WATERS. THEN WE HAVE WHAT THE REST OF GENESIS ONE GIVES US