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An answer to the Pre-tribulationists

                           POST-TRIBULATIONISTS


THIS STUDY IS TAKEN FROM "THE POPULAR ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BIBLE
PROPHECY" by Tim Lahaye and Ed Hindson. 
As the book is obviously the fundamental held teachings of a two
phased, secret and visible coming of Christ, a secret rapture in
the middle of a 7 year tribulation period, at the end of this
age, such people as the compilers of the above encyclopedia,
would classify me as post-tribulation. They give the outline of
post-tribulation teaching. I will add some comments as I feel is
needed, for further explanations - Keith Hunt



POST-TRIBULATIONISM TEACHES that the church will endure the Great
Tribulation and be raptured at its conclusion. According to this
view, the rapture and second coming of Christ are one and the
same. Therefore, posttribulationists believe the Tribulation
could be imminent, but the rapture is not. 
......

NOT FULLY SO. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS NOT IMMINENT PER SE.
CERTAIN EVENTS MUST COME TO PASS BEFORE THE GREAT END-TIME
TRIBULATION COMES ON THIS EARTH - Keith Hunt



Posttribulational writers suggest several "proofs" for their
theory. Not every posttribulationist would agree with every
argument listed below, but the following list identifies the
major arguments by leading spokesmen in this theological camp.


POSTTRIBULATIONAL "PROOFS"

The Historical Argument

One argument advanced by posttribulational writers is that the
early church held their view. For this reason they sometimes
refer to themselves as historic premillennialists. This argument
has both a positive and negative emphasis. The positive argument
is stated by Gundry (p.173): "Until Augustine in the fourth
century, the early Church generally held to the premillenarian
understanding of Bible eschatology. The "chiliasm" entailed a
futuristic interpretation of Daniel's seventieth week, the
abomination of desolation, and the personal Antichrist. And it
was post tribulational."

It is questionable whether anyone can demonstrate a finely
developed eschatological position taught by the early
post-apostolic church. This means the early church was neither
clearly pretribulational nor clearly posttribulational.
Addressing this subject, Ryrie (p.68) suggests, "The early church
believed in tribulation, the imminent coming of Christ, and a
Millennium to follow. The early church was clearly premillennial
but not clearly pretribulational, nor was it clearly
posttribulational when measured against today's developed
developed posttribulation teachings."

The timing of the rapture was not an issue with early church
fathers. They knew Christ's coming was imminent. Therefore, they
were looking for Him to come potentially at any time to deliver
them from persecution. Also, one does not find any concept in the
church fathers that would indicate they would face the wrath of
God in the Great Tribulation.
......

IT MATTERS NOT WHAT SO-CALLED "CHURCH FATHERS" TAUGHT. IT IS WHAT
THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT IS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. FURTHER THERE
IS NO TEACHING IN THE NT THAT SAYS CHRIST'S COMING WAS "IMMINENT"
- THAT WORD CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE KJV OR STRONG'S CONCORDANCE OF
THE BIBLE. THE DISCIPLES MAY WELL HAVE THOUGHT CHRIST'S COMING
AGAIN WAS GOING TO BE WITHIN THE FIRST CENTURY A.D. EVEN THEN THE
APOSTLE PAUL KNEW CERTAIN THINGS HAD TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE JESUS
COULD RETURN (2 THES.2). BUT NO WRITER OF THE NT USED THE WORD
"IMMINENT." THOSE WHO USE IT TODAY USE IT TO MEAN CHRIST COULD
COME AT ANY SECOND, BUT IN A SECRET RAPTURE INVISIBLE COMING, TO
TAKE THE SAINTS TO HEAVEN. SUCH A TEACHING CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE
BIBLE, AS STATED, NEITHER CAN THE WORD "IMMINENT" BE FOUND IN THE
NT - Keith Hunt


The Argument Against Imminence 

One cannot read the New Testament and conclude the writers
believed in anything other than an imminent return of Christ.
They were convinced that Christ could return at any moment.
Christians were exhorted to keep watching for His return (1
Thessalonians 5:18; 2 Peter 3:8-10) and wait for it (1
Corinthians 1:7; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; Titus 2:13). These
commands were as meaningful and applicable to the first century
as they are today. Even the implication of end-times signs does
not conflict with the imminent return of Christ.
......

THE WRITERS OF THE NT DID NOT TEACH NOR BELIEVE THE "IMMINENT"
RETURN OF CHRIST, AS RETURNING AT ANY SECOND OR MOMENT. BELIEVING
JESUS WOULD RETURN IN THEIR LIFE TIME, AND THAT IT WAS THE LAST
DAYS (1 JOHN 2:18) IS NOT THE SAME AS TEACHING HE COULD RETURN AT
ANY SECOND, AND CERTAINLY NOT IN SOME "SECRET RAPTURE" MANNER.
THE WORD "IMMINENT" CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE NT. I WILL SHORTLY DO
A FULL STUDY OF EVERY VERSE IN THE NT CONCERNING THE SECOND
COMING OF CHRIST, AND SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT - Keith Hunt


Posttribulational writers argue that the early church did not
believe in the doctrine of imminence, nor do the Scriptures teach
it. They claim the biblical injunctions to watch for the return
of Christ do not necessarily mean it should be anticipated
immediately. Posttribulationists argue that several things had to
occur before Jesus could return, such as the fall of Jerusalem,
Peter's death, the destruction of the Temple, the worldwide
spread of the gospel, and the growth of the church.
......

I DO NOT TEACH SUCH IDEAS, BUT INDEED CERTAIN THINGS AS IN
MATTHEW 24 AND THE BOOK OF REVELATION, AS WELL AS THE MANY
PROPHECIES IN THE PROPHETS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, MUST COME TO
PASS BEFORE JESUS CAN RETURN - Keith Hunt


Conservative scholars generally agree that the prophecy
concerning Peter's martyrdom was recorded by John perhaps as much
as 30 years after Peter was killed. How this could discourage the
early Christians from believing in the imminent return of Christ
is difficult to comprehend. The context in which this prophecy
exists suggests some readers may have believed Christ would
return even before the death of the aging apostle John (John
21:23).
Posttribulationists tend to ignore the distinction between the
rapture and second coming. This biblical distinction is a major
argument for the pretribulational view.
......

AND THAT ARGUMENT IS MAJOR, THE "RAPTURISTS" DRAW ALL KINDS OF
DIFFERENCE, WHERE A SIMPLE MATTER OF PUTTING VERSE WITH VERSE
GIVES YOU THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER, SIMPLE AND UNCOMPLICATED -
Keith Hunt


3. The Argument That the Church Is Promised Tribulation

Another posttribulationist argument is that the church will
endure the Great Tribulation. Verses such as John 16:1-2,33 and
Romans 12:12 predict tribulation for the Christian, not escape.
Those holding this position argue that this tribulation is simply
the trials experienced over the years by Christians, so they
equate suffering with the Great Tribulation. Others agree there
is a coming Tribulation and that Christians will suffer during
this period, but they are not subject to the wrath of God. This
appears to be the majority belief of contemporary
posttribulational teachers. Gundry (pp.46,62) admits, "It is
not a point of disagreement whether the Church will ever suffer
God's retributive wrath. She will not (John 3:36; 5:24; Rom. 5:9;
8:1; Eph. 2:3; 5:6; 1 Thes. 1:10; 5:9). As now, the Church will
suffer persecution during the tribulation, but no saint can
suffer divine wrath."

But Pentecost (p.170) notes, "It must be noticed that the term
tribulation is used in several different ways in Scripture. It is
used in a non-technical, non-eschatological sense in reference to
any time of suffering or testing into which one goes. It is so
used in Matthew 13:21; Mark 4:17; John 16:33; Romans 5:3;12:12; 2
Corinthians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 1:4; Revelation 1:9. It is used
in its technical or eschatological sense in reference to the
whole period of the seven years of tribulation, as in Revelation
2:22 or Matthew 24:29. It is also used in reference to the last
half of this seven-year period, as in Matthew 24:21."
......

AGAIN THE GUY PENTECOST AND OTHERS ARE FOREVER TELLING YOU THIS
LAST TRIBULATION OF THE AGE IS 7 YEARS IN LENGTH. THEY
MISUNDERSTAND DANIEL 9 AND THE 70 WEEK PROPHECY - AND THEY MUST
RELY ON THAT PROPHECY TO GET THEIR 7 YEARS, RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
BEFORE OF MID-WAY OF THE 7 YEARS, FOR THE BOOK OF REVELATION ONLY
TALKS ABOUT 42 MONTHS, 1260 DAYS, A TIME, TIMES, AND HALF A TIME.
NO 7 YEAR PERIOD IS MENTIONED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION - Keith
Hunt


Scripture consistently describes the Great Tribulation as mostly
Jewish and characterized not by the wrath of men but by the wrath
of God. It is pictured as "the time of Jacob's  trouble," not the
church's trouble. It cannot begin until after the rapture of the
church.
......

UTTERLY FALSE! YES JACOB OR ISRAEL (WHO ARE MORE THAN THE JEWS,
WHO ARE ONLY 3 TRIBES OF THE TWELVE) WILL EXPERIENCE THE GREAT
TRIBULATION, BUT JESUS (IN MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, AND REVELATION)
CLEARLY SHOWS SOME CHRISTIAN SAINTS WILL ALSO EXPERIENCE
PERSECUTIONS AND DEATH, DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
ONCE MORE IT IS UTTERLY FALSE TO TEACH THE GREAT TRIBULATION
CANNOT BEGIN UNTIL AFTER THE "RAPTURE" OF THE CHURCH - Keith Hunt

  
4. The Argument of the Historic Fulfilment of Daniel 9:24-27

Some posttribulationists hold to a historic fulfilment of Daniel
9:24-27, including the seventieth week of that prophecy. They
believe the 70 weeks are a continuous, successive, unbroken
period of years that ended with the death of Stephen or the
destruction of Jerusalem. This is not the position of all
posttribulationists, but those who do hold this view see no gap
between weeks 69 and 70 of Daniel's prophecy. In contrast to this
view, Gundry (p.189), himself a posttribulationist, argues we
cannot spiritualize Israel ("your people") to refer to a
spiritual Israel inclusive of Gentiles without destroying the
plain sense of the passage. The destruction of Jerusalem, for
example, deals with Israel as a nation. In addition, "the
finishing of Israel's transgression, the purging of her iniquity,
and the bringing of her everlasting righteousness have not
reached completion. Paul writes of these as still in the future
for Israel (Rom. 11:25-27)."
......


THIS PROPHECY OF DANIEL IS CORRECTLY EXPLAINED IN A NUMBER OF
STUDIES ON THIS WEBSITE. THE "SECRET RAPTURE" TEACHERS HAVE IT
ALL WRONG. BUT TO GET THEM TO SEE THEIR FUNDAMENTAL FOLLY IS
ASKING FOR A MIRACLE - Keith Hunt


5. The Argument That the Resurrection Occurs After the
Tribulation 

Posttribulationists argue that the doctrine of
 resurrection proves a posttribulation rapture. They argue that
the first resurrection is associated with the coming of the Lord,
the conversion of Israel, and the inauguration of the kingdom
(Luke 14:14-15; Revelation 20:46). According to this argument,
the rapture must be posttribulational because the resurrection
occurs after the Tribulation.
This argument is based on the conclusion that the resurrection of
Revelation 20:5-6, which is there called "the first
resurrection," is the same resurrection referred to in 1
Thessalonians 4:16. The major weakness of this argument is the
equating of "the first resurrection" or the resurrection of the
Old Testament saints with the resurrection occurring at the
rapture. The Scriptures identify at least four distinct
resurrections, the first chronologically being the resurrection
of Christ (Matthew 28:1-7). The expression "first resurrection"
can therefore be understood only within the immediate context of
the passage since Christ's resurrection was first. The
resurrection in Revelation 20:5-6 is "first" in that it comes
1000 years prior to the fourth and final resurrection, but it is
also "third" in that it follows the resurrection of Christ and
the resurrection of the saints at the rapture.
......

THE NT TEACHES TWO ONLY RESURRECTIONS TO GLORY - THE VERY FIRST
BEING CHRIST'S RESURRECTION. THE SECOND IS AT THE COMING OF
CHRIST, THE SEVENTH TRUMPET. PUTTING VERSE WITH VERSE, MAKING IT
SIMPLE, SO A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND, IS SIMPLE, BUT "DANIEL 9" AND
"SEVEN YEARS LEFT" AND "SECRET RAPTURE" TEACHERS, JUST CANNOT
MAKE IT SIMPLE, THEY HAVE TO FORCE A COMPLICATED MANY
RESURRECTIONS DOCTRINE. THE ONLY OTHER RESURRECTION TAUGHT IN THE
NT (LARGE SCALE RESURRECTION) IS AT THE END OF REVELATION 20. IT
IS JUST THAT SIMPLE! Keith Hunt
 

Walvoord (The Rapture Question, p.154) observes: "The Old
Testament saints are never described by the phrase 'in Christ.'
The fact that the 'voice of the archangel' - Israel's defender -
is heard at the rapture is not conclusive proof that Israel is
raised at that time .... The best answer is to concede the point
that the resurrection of Old Testament saints is after the
tribulation, but to divorce it completely from the translation
and resurrection of the church .... If the translation of the
church is a different event entirely, [the argument] proves
nothing."
......

NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. JOB WOULD WITH GOD WHEN
GOD WOULD STAND ON THE EARTH. PUT JOB 14:10-15 WITH JOB 19:25,26
AND 1 COR.15 "CHANGE" (1 COR.15:50-54) WITH LAST TRUMP, AND FIND
THE LAST TRUMP IN REVELATION 11, AND MATTHEW 24:29-31, AND YOU
HAVE THE SIMPLE PLAIN TRUTH. THE SAINTS OF OLD ARE TO BE MADE
PERFECT WITH THE SAINTS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT - SEE HEBREWS
11:39,40 WITH 1 THES.4:13-18 AND ZECHARIAH 14. IT IS SO SIMPLE,
BUT "SECRET RAPTURISTS" HAVE TO MAKE IT ALL SO COMPLICATED -
Keith Hunt


Finally, perhaps the word "first" did not mean "first in time"
but "first in kind," that is, the resurrection was of God's
people (whether before or after the Tribulation). The "second of
a different kind" involved the unsaved (Revelation 20:11-15).
......

AGAIN, SUCH PEOPLE CANNOT JUST ADD TWO AND TWO. THE SIMPLICITY
WOULD BE BEYOND THEIR COMPLICATED MIND - Keith Hunt


6. The Argument of the Parable of the Wheat and Tares

The parable of the wheat and the tares is sometimes used to
defend the posttribulational cause. Posttribulationists suggest
that Christ spoke of the wheat and the tares growing together
"until the harvest" (Matthew 13:30) and suggest a general
judgment at the end of the age. Commenting on this text,
posttribulationists generally argue that there will be no
judicial separation of the righteous and the wicked until the
final harvest. This, then, is taken to prove the fact that the
rapture will not occur until the end of the Tribulation.
However, the purpose of the kingdom parables in Matthew 13 is to
record not the history of the church but rather the history of
the kingdom in mystery form-Christendom.

These parables clearly predict Israel's rejection of the Messiah
(the King) and the present development of professing Christendom.
They are not intended to illustrate the timing of the rapture or
the final judgment.
......

I HAVE NEVER USED SUCH PARABLES TO PROVE THE TRUTH. THE SIMPLE
TRUTH IS WITH THE VERSES I HAVE GIVEN YOU ABOVE, AND IN DETAIL IN
OTHER STUDIES ON THIS WEBSITE - Keith Hunt


7. The Argument of Fruit

Perhaps the weakest argument, from a theological position, is
that based upon fruit, that is, the apparent results of a
doctrinal
teaching. Nevertheless, some posttribulationists have attempted
to argue that pretribulationism is divisive and lacks a social
conscience for the world. This, however, is convincingly refuted
by the spiritual, moral, social, and political activities of
pretribulationists such as Jerry Falwell and Tim LaHaye. In
general, pretribulationists have shown evangelistic fervor,
missionary zeal, social concern, and intense spiritual commitment
in light of the fact that Jesus could come at any moment.
......

I HAVE NEVER USED SUCH ARGUMENTS, WHICH ARE FOOLISHNESS. IF YOU
WANT TO COMPARE THINGS FOR THE FOOLISHNESS OF IT ALL. THEN THE
ONLY TWO CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE GROWING IN ANY MEASURE
TODAY, ARE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH (AND THEY COULD CARE LESS
ABOUT ALL OF THIS) AND THE OTHER IS THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS,
AND ALL THE CHURCHES OF GOD SEVENTH DAY, WHICH TEACH AS I DO ON
THIS MATTER - Keith Hunt


PRETRIBULATIONAL SUPPORT

The ultimate answers to the arguments of posttribulationism are
the overwhelmingly affirmative reasons for believing in the
pretribulational rapture:

1. the contrast of the events involving the rapture and the
second coming.

2. the need for time after the rapture for the judgment seat of
Christ and the marriage of the Lamb in heaven.

3. the necessity for the removal of the restrainer and the
revelation of the man of sin-that is, the Antichrist.

4. the uniqueness of the church as the body of Christ.

5. God's promises to keep the church from
the Great Tribulation.

6. the absence of the church between Revelation 4:1 and 19:11.

All these factors point to a pretribulational coming of Christ.
"Even so come Lord Jesus" (Revelation 22:20).

ELMER TOWNS

                          .......................


NOTE:

THE ULTIMATE ANSWER IS NOT WHAT THE AUTHOR GIVES. THE ANSWER IS
IN THE SCRIPTURES. GOD'S WORD IS TRUTH (JOHN 17:17) NOT THE IDEAS
OF MEN, OR THE LACK OF PUTTING VERSE WITH VERSE. I HAVE GIVEN YOU
MANY STUDIES ON THIS WEBSITE TO DIS-PROVE THE IDEAS OF A "SECRET
RAPTURE" OR A "TWO-PHASED" COMING OF CHRIST, OR A CONTRIVED MANY
RESURRECTIONS, ALL MIXED UP WITH A 7 YEAR GREAT TRIBULATION AND
SOME RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH SOMEWHERE EITHER BEFORE OR MID-WAY,
DURING THOSE 7 SUPPOSED LAST YEARS OF THIS AGE.

BUT TO PRESS THE POINT HOME I WILL ANSWER THE ABOVE 6 POINTS.

1. There is no contrast between the so-called rapture (which is
the resurrection of the saints both dead and alive) and second
coming. Both events happen at the same time, on the same day.
Other studies of mine, expound this truth in detail.

2. The judgment seat of Christ and the marriage of the Lamb with
the "church" is NOT in heaven to begin with. Not one Scripture
can be found to support that idea, it is an idea of men, not the
Bible. Secondly, the saints on the sea of glass, with Christ, at
His coming, resurrected to be taken by the angels to the AIR, to
the CLOUDS, to be with Christ (Mat.24:29-31 with 1 Thes.4:13-18)
as told in the book of Revelation, is the marriage and the
judgment, where saints are given their rewards. All fully
expounded upon in my many other studies on prophecy. The idea
that it must take weeks, months, or as much as YEARS, for the
marriage of the Lamb and the rewards given to saints, is totally
HUMAN thinking. A day can be a thousand years, or a thousand
years as a day, to the Lord, that statement is found in the book
Peter. Time with God, is not as with men. God can hand out
rewards millions of times faster than men can do. A marriage of
the Lamb to the church and handing out rewards to the saints of
the church, can all be done in ONE DAY with God!! God lives in a
dimension that humans can never understand while in the flesh.
The saints of the church will not be in the flesh when they are
on the sea of glass with Christ at His coming.

3. The fundamental prophets have no clue about the prophecies of
the anti-christ or the last days. I have given you on this
Website all the prophecies as they WILL be fulfilled in the last
years of this age.

4. The uniqueness of the church has nothing per se to do with the
order of events in the last years of this age. The uniqueness is
rather that the saints of old and new Testaments will rise in a
resurrection/change from mortal to immortal, at the coming of
Christ, which will be at the last trumpet sound, and will then be
the very literal born Sons of God, to look like Christ is today
(1 John 3:1-3). Now that is truly unique!!

5. There is a promise to keep SOME of the church from the great
tribulation. You can find that promise in Luke 21:36. And you can
find the "rest of the story" in Revelation 12. Which is a
prophecy for the "church" not for Jews, but the church of God.
SOME at the end time will find a place of safety, not in heaven,
but in the WILDERNESS (just as it was during the Dark Ages, when
the Roman Catholic church rode the Beast, and will again for one
more time) and Satan will then go after them "who keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Just as it has always been, some escape tribulation, and some do
not. Peter, Paul and others died for the faith, the apostle John
lived to an old age. Such is the recorded history of the people
of God in all ages since the world began.

6. The absence of the church between Revelation 4:1 and 19:11?
The author must have a blind fold on when reading Revelation. The
144,000 are sealed with the Spirit of God, the vast multitude
that cannot be numbered, that come THROUGH the tribulation, and
stand on the sea of glass (see Revelation 7) ARE PART OF THE
SAINTS AND CHURCH OF GOD!! Unless you cannot read English or have
some twisted theology, the saints of Revelation 7 are clearly
saints of the resurrection and are with Christ upon His return.
But the fundamental folly of the "secret rapturists" will no
doubt have some mish-mash of mind to tell you these people in
Revelation 7 are not part of the saints of the church.
Then we have Revelation 6 and the fifth seal, that once more
clearly tells you more people from the church, or from those that
have the "word of God and the testimony which they held" are to
be killed. How do you not acknowledge those people are from the
true church or saints of God? Well the fundamental boys will have
another folly of theology, to do it I'm sure. They've been
hanging on to their "secret rapture" and "two phased" coming of
the second coming of Christ, for over a 100 years now. They will
not let it go, not until the Great Tribulation is in full swing,
and they find themselves still in the flesh on this earth.

Revelation 6 and the seals. Anyone acquainted with Matthew 24 and
Revelation 6, will know there is a striking similarity. Even some
fundamentalists can see it. Wow, give them a gold star! The fifth
seal is the persecution and even killing of saints in the Great
Tribulation of Matthew 24. The sixth is the heavenly signs to
come AFTER the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24. Then in
Revelation 6:17 we have the" great day of the wrath of God." But
before it all begins 144,000 from the tribes of Israel and a vast
multitude, will be sealed by the living God. They are called
"servants of our God" in verse 3. Either they are part of the
Church of God, the saints of the New Testament, or English and
common sense is thrown out the window.

And either Revelation 12 is about the saints of God, those that
keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ (which throws out the idea that these are Jews, for the
Jews do not have the "testimony of Jesus Christ. Have you not
heard, they hate His name, and disown family members who accept
Jesus as personal Savior), or again English means nothing, and as
sceptics and atheists say, "You can make the Bible say anything
you desire it to say."

Who on earth (well actually on the mount Sion, with Christ), are
those in Revelation 14, if not true saints of the church of God?
They are called "redeemed" and "first-fruits of God and to the
Lamb." 
Is it logical to believe these 144,000 are something other than
the redeemed of saints? Common reading of the NT would with its
language about "redeemed" prove this group are part of the saints
and church of God.

Verse 12 of chapter 14. Right among the three angel's messages
and the fall of the end time Babylon, is the mention of "the
saints" - those who have patience and keep the commandments of
God, and the faith of Jesus. Are they something other than
"saints" or members of the church? Well if English can be
understood, they are clearly "saints" and the word "saint" is
used many times in the NT in identifying the members of the
church of Christ. Just look up the word "saint" in Strong's
Concordance and see how and where it is used. It does not take
having to have a "rocket science degree" to find "saint" =
"person in the church of God" as used in the NT.

Who are those on the sea of glass in Revelation 15:1-4? They had
gotten the victory over the Beast, over its image, over its mark,
and over its number. Are they angels? Do angels have to get
victory over the Beast? You should be able to see with just a
simple reading of the book of Revelation up to this chapter 15,
that the ones having the victory of the Beast and its image and
mark, are those people who had to be on earth when the Beast was
ruling. What victory is it if you are up in heaven when the Beast
is ruling on earth? It should be logically obvious these ones on
the sea of glass are people, saints, of the church, who got
victory over the Beast, when the Beast was ruling in the last
number of years of this age. 

Who are the ones that Jesus says to in Revelation 18:4, "Come out
of her my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, that you
receive not of her plagues?" Are they angels? I think not! are
they Jews? No, there is no evidence of that at all in the context
before or after. I submit to you, that reading Revelation up to
this chapter 18, you can only come to the conclusion that "my
people" are the saints, the members of the church of Christ. They
are to put sin away, come out of the Babylon of sin, the false
Beast system, get victory over the Beast and sin that it teaches
and practices. 

What is this folly that the "church" is not mentioned from
Revelation 4:1 to 19:11. And indeed the saints are mentioned in
chapter 19:8.

Such is the fundamental folly of the fundamental teachers of the
"secret rapture" and the "two phased" coming of the Lord Jesus
Christ.

NOW IT'S TIME FOR ME TO WORK ON GIVING YOU A STUDY ON EVERY VERSE
IN THE NT ON THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, AND LAYING BARE THE
FOLLY OF THIS "IMMINENT" TEACHING, THE FOLLY OF TEACHING JESUS
CAN COME AT ANY SECOND, THE FOLLY THAT PRESENTS ITSELF AS THE
"SECRET RAPTURE" INVISIBLE FIRST PHASE OF THE MESSIAH'S RETURN TO
EARTH. THIS STUDY WHEN FINISHED WILL BE CALLED "IMMINENT RETURN
OF CHRIST." LOOK FOR IT ON THIS WEBSITE.


Keith Hunt, May, 2009


 
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