CHILD-REARING and PHYSICAL SPANKING??
CHILD-REARING AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT ?
WE SHALL FIRST JUST GIVE THE VERSES IN PROVERBS ON THIS SUBJECT:
"He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth his son chasteneth him betimes" (Prov. 13:24).
"Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying" (Prov. 19:18).
"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him" (Prov. 22:15).
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die" (Prov. 23:13).
"The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself brings his mother to shame" (Prov. 29:15).
"Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest, he shall give delight unto thy soul" (Prov. 29:17).
ONE argument on these verses is: they are "types of speech" that is they are words that mean something other than literal. So "sparing the rod" means not the physical cane to spank with, but just a metaphor of "withholding some other form of discipline" - not that no punishment is ever to be withheld, it is not as the proverb goes on to say: "but he that loves his son chastens him betimes" or chastens with other means than the spanking with the cane or rod or I guess the hand, as the argument would go.
With the argument goers to "figures of speech" meaning something else than the physical, it is pretty well impossible to debate with them. It is like the old famous or infamous [personal view of his ideas you may hold] ORIGEN, who pretty well gave the whole Bible the "figure of speech" interpretation..... nothing meant what it said, all was to be interpreted spiritually. And so of course the Bible can as some have said, "Mean anything you want it to mean" or "You can prove anything from the Bible" is another way many agnostics and atheists answer to poohoo the Bible.
So Prov. 19:18 can also be answered with "figure of speech" argument. He may be crying but you continue to verbally correct him/her. Or punish in some other way than with the spanking rod or cane. And yes, that verse alone could be correctly taken to mean that interpretation.
Prov. 22:15 driving foolishness out with the rod of correction..... ah again if taken as "figure of speech" you can make it say, other correction other than the physical spanking. So hard to argue the the point from that side of thinking.
Prov. 23:13 I submit is a little harder for the "figures of speech" interpreters..... but yes not impossible, for they look upon the "beatest him with the rod" as .... well another figure of speech, that means the rod is not literal but a metaphor for a strong discipline of some sort, but certainly not the literal cane or rod, and a spanking. So hard again to debate with such "figures of speech" interpreters.
Prov. 29:17 yes could lend itself to different interpretations of correction, as long as it does not include "spanking" some will argue.
Prov. 29:15 I submit is the most difficult verse for the "no spanking whatsoever" believers. For it combines the "rod" with "reproof." Now while we would all agree "reproof" is usually thought of as with the mouth - verbally. Then what in this first breath would "rod" mean? I suppose the "figure of speech" understanders could argue "rod" would mean another punishment other than "words" - something like, depriving the child for a week of his/her favorite game, or show, or desert, or being "grounded" for a week and missing out on a favorite sports activity.
SO YES, the figures of speech argument can figure it out as some other figure, but not the literal figure of the words. So we are again back to old ORIGEN and his figuring out that the Bible said what it did not mean, and he was bright enough to figure what the figure of speech was all about. But the problem is the next ORIGEN to come along in history figures it out some other way that what the original ORIGEN figured it out.
A slippery path and such a diverse one, that as many poohooers of the Bible say, "You can make the Bible say anything you want it to say."
BUT LET'S SUPPOSE YOU ARE .... WELL KINDA HALF WAY IN SAYING...."HUMMMM MAYBE GOD DOES TEACH SPANKING AS A FORM OF CHILD-REARING AND CHILD DISCIPLINE.
SO IF YOU WILL BE WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH ME FOR A WHILE ON THIS: WE NOW NEED TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT WORDS - "ROD" - "SON" - "CHILD"
WHY? WELL THE ARGUMENT COULD BE PUT FORTH, IT IS OLDER SONS AND CHILD, SAY OLDER TEENS, MAYBE YOUNG ADULTS, WHOM THE LAWS OF SOCIETIES ARE TO PUNISH FOR SOME CRIMES WITH THE ROD [ IN SINGAPORE THEY LITERALLY DO THIS VERY THING FOR SOME CRIMES].
SO FIRST "ROD"
There are two main Hebrew words used for "rod" in the Old Testament. In Strong's Concordance of the Bible they are numbers 4294 and 7626. In the verse we have looked at in Proverbs it is #7626.
From "The Strongest Strong's Concordance" we see: "rod, staff, a stick used to assist walking, discipline, and guidance.......[fig. identification with or under authority of a leader's staff], people, clan, family, - tribes , tribe , rod , sceptre , staff , correction , darts , pen , sceptres ."
The word #4294 is basically the same as #7626.
Certainly we have a few proverbs like Prov. 10:13 and Prov. 26:3, that sound like for the older person, as the Singapore nation uses on people for various infractions of its laws.
Prov. 14:3 uses Hebrew #2415 "rod, switch, shoot, twig..." Strong's. Again does this mean the fool should get a physical spanking, or some metaphor of discipline. Well Singapore takes the first thought, if the crime fits.
SO WE SEE THE WORD "ROD" USED IN VARIOUS WAYS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. NOW IF SOME ADMIT IT COULD BE USED IN THE LITERAL WAY AS THE LAWS OF SINGAPORE INVOKE , THEN COULD IT NOT BE TAKEN IN A LITERAL WAY WITH YOUNGER CHILDREN, FITTING FOR THE INFRACTION AND BADNESS OF THE DEED OR ATTITUDE. CERTAINLY SINGAPORE'S USE OF THE ROD OF CORRECTION WOULD BE MORE PAINFUL FOR AN OLDER TEEN OR YOUNG MAN, THAN WHAT THE PARENTS MAY IMPOSE ON A CHILD. THAT WOULD BE THE LOGICAL AND CORRECT BALANCE, IF YOU LIVE IN SINGAPORE.
The Hebrew word for "son" used dozens and dozens of times in the Old Testament is #1121 in The Strongest Strong's Concordance, and used in Proverbs under discussion.
Strong's con. says: "....son, child (of either gender), descendant, offspring, ...... son , children , sons , men , .... children's , child  ......"
It is used for in many different ways as fully seen in "The Strongest Strong's Concordance."
We note Gen. 4:25 "....she bare a son and called his name Seth" as one example of "agelessness" as also it is used many times like "the son of....."
You are a son or daughter of someone no matter what your age.
So used the word has no age limit.
There are a number of words in Hebrew for "child" used in the Old Testament. In Proverbs it is #5288 and once 5290.
The Strongest Strong's Concordance says: "young man, boy, child, ranging in age from infancy to young adulthood......child , young men , young man , lad , servant , servants , young , children , youth , babe , boys , lads , men , young men [376 plus], youths .
The word #5290. Strong's Con. says: "...youth:- youth , child's . child .
SO WE SEE FROM THE HEBREW THE WORDS USED IN PROVERBS WE ARE STUDYING, HAVE NO SPECIFIC AGE TO THEM. THE CONTEXT WOULD GIVE YOU A BASIC IDEA OF THE AGE, RANGING FROM INFANCY TO ADULTHOOD.
YESTERDAY AND TODAY
Today we live in an age of child-rearing in society that was not like yesterday.
I grew up in the 1940s and 1950s. It was an age when a very good percentage of parents thought it not strange at all to "spank" their children if they were being very bad, in the home or in public. It was not uncommon in a shopping center, when a child threw a temper tantrum to see a parent give the child a good slap on the back of the leg, or on the hand, and saying something like, "If you do not stop this right now I will take you to the car and warm your bottom."
In a book I have by Dale Evans [wife of Roy Rogers] she tells about the shock of some people, when they saw her [knew who she was being famous and shopping locally] give one of her children a good spank on the leg for being very unruly and not listening to her to smarten up, in a public place, thinking they could get away with being really bad in public. Dale showed them they could not.
Well today this can hardly ever be done by parents, as society has thrown the pendulum the opposite way, no spanking, and certainly not doing what Dale did in public, to bring children into line. Now today you are "beating" your children, and doing what Dale did would probably get the police on their way [ya someone would call the police for you "beating" your child].
I still see at times when in a Mall, children not just crying but screaming, and screaming, and screaming.....a real temper tantrum. I think wow back in the 1940s and 1950s the parent would in public lay down the law in no uncertain manner. Today the parent/s just keep on walking and the kid just keeps on screaming its head off.
Wow if I had ever come close to doing such a thing as a child, I would have been dealt with on the spot or in the car, if I did not stop the tantrum.
Roy Rogers, loved by millions of kids around the world, said he was not opposed to the leather belt on the bottom if needed. Roy and Dale raised 8 great children, who went on to be very fine individuals, not like some of the children of today, who come from famous parents, and turn out to be horrible teens and adults.
People in my generation took the Proverbs on child discipline as literal..... if the situation warranted a spanking, the child got it. Now my generation were also very much more "religious" than the generation of today.
If I was ever disrespectful to my Mom when Dad was around.....wow..... he'd give me one warning, and then look out, I got straightened out by those words of his or I knew what would come next. And it would not be pleasant.
If out visiting with my Mom in a relative's home, she would tell me, "Keith you do not touch anything that is not yours." And I sure knew I had better not, for my Mom could give a good spanking also. I knew her words were backed up by her hand. By the time I was 5 my Mom never had to spank me ever, I had learned very well, and we became very close indeed as my Dad worked on a night shift till I was 11 years old.
SCHOOLS YESTERDAY AND TODAY
In my generation, pretty well all schools had physical punishment discipline. If you got out of line once too many times in school, you got the strap on the hand/s.
It was not given very often, just for real bad behavior. Never saw a girl get the strap; it was us boys who did and said things that, done once too often, you would be brought to the front and in the sight of all the class, given the strap.
Now we all lived through it, never ever heard of anyone getting injured. The teachers were under control of their emotions, and you were told why you were getting "the strap" as we kids called it.
We had 40 in a class back then; it was a common number in schools in England - forty to a class. Can you envision the out-of-control and hullabaloo in a class that size if just 5 or 6 kids were doing their own thing. I did hear about some schools where the threat of "the strap" was no threat, and sure enough the stories of class mayhem was unreal. It was hard to believe it was true but it was indeed, as some I knew went to such schools.
Today in our so-called enlightened society, no teacher is allowed to "strap" anyone. And with few parents doing any physical punishment for out-of-control, and real bad things kids can do, you have a generation of kids who think there is no physical consequences for doing bad things.
Sure there are any ways to discipline; many ways should be used; ah variety is the spice of life they say. And physical spanking should of course be done, basically seldom, but in full emotional control.
Sitting the child down and explaining why this physical punishment has to be given. Like in the schools of my generation, after you have gone over the line one time too many. So the teacher would explain it to you. But the strap came out.
HOW GOD PUNISHES
NOW I MAY NOT HAVE PROVED ANYTHING TO YOU IN ALL I'VE SAID. YOU COULD STILL BE THINKING IT'S ALL MY "INTERPRETATION" OF PROVERBS, AND TODAY IS NOT YESTERDAY.
SO IT'S TIME TO SEE HOW GOD PUNISHES. MAYBE WHEN I'M FINISHED WITH THIS YOU MIGHT GET A MORE FULLER PICTURE.
Yes Christians know probably many verses where God corrects us, through knowledge, through words. His word and the words of His servants in their preaching and writings. Hence my website is a huge "correcting of false ideas and doctrines by words." Bringing out the truth of God's way of life through the written word. A correction to false beliefs, by showing the error of those beliefs and the teaching of God, the truth of God on those subjects.
We know God sent prophets to warn Israel and Judah; they used words of correction; they spoke up, shouted out, the sin the Israelites were doing, and the righteousness of God.
So "words" of truth and correction have always been used by God, to try and turn people around from living wrongly, to living rightly.
But, if your reading the Bible, the Old Testament, you surely will know, that there were times when God shall we say, ran out of words; down came His hand in no uncertain way, to punish, correct, with the rod of physical pain. And sometimes the physical pain inflicted led to DEATH. Now of course God can do that for He is able to also RESURRECT the dead. But at times God did physical punishment....usually indeed as a last resort.....most of the time physical plagues, hardships, crop failure, pestilence, and the like, would be used first; then if that did not turn the people around...... well it was then the ultimate physical punishment..... it was DESTRUCTION AND DEATH AND CAPTIVITY TO ISRAEL'S ENEMIES.
IT'S MORE THAN INTERESTING THAT IN THE LAWS OF MOSES, THERE IS A LAW THAT STATES IF PARENTS HAVE A CHILD [YOUTH] THAT IS TOTALLY UN-RULABLE THEY COME BEFORE THE PRIEST, THE MATTER IS SHOWN, AND THE YOUTH [YOUNG MAN AS CHILDREN CAN STILL BE TRAINED] IS PUT TO DEATH. SOME WILL FIND THIS HARD LAW HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT IT IS THERE, AND GOD DOES NOT LOOK UPON DEATH AS WE DO, FOR HE IS ABLE TO RESURRECT THE DEAD IN TIME. HENCE GOD VIEWS THIS PHYSICAL LIFE FOR MANKIND IN A MUCH DIFFERENT MANNER THAN WE DO. HENCE LAWS TO BETTER THIS PHYSICAL LIFE FOR THOSE LIVING, WHILE THE DEAD CAN BE RAISED IN ANOTHER AGE, FOR A BETTER SITUATION FOR THEM TO BE BETTER PEOPLE, AND HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY FOR SALVATION ALSO.
THIS IS PROBABLY WHY WE FIND GOD TELLING ISRAEL TO SOMETIMES DESTROY AN ENTIRE POPULATION; THE EVIL HAD SO DEGENERATED IN MIND AND HEART, EVEN DOWN TO THE CHILDREN. AGAIN GOD DOES NOT VIEW DEATH AS WE DO, FOR HE'S ABLE TO RESURRECT ALL PEOPLE, CHILDREN, YOUTHS, WHO HAVE LIVED.
NOW THAT'S THE OLD TESTAMENT. WE ARE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AGE, AND SOME OF YOU MAY VERY WELL BE SAYING, THAT OLD WAY IS GONE.....GOD IS SO LOVING TOWARDS HIS CHILDREN TODAY, HE WOULD NOT PUNISH US WITH PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT.
WELL IF YOUR THINKING THAT, YOU ARE NOW GOING TO BE IN FOR THE SURPRISE OF YOUR LIFE.
GET READY FOR A SHOCK! MOST HAVE READ IT BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONE RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS.... FLOWN AWAY AND DISAPPEARED FROM THEIR MIND.
TURN TO 1 CORINTHIANS 11.
It concerns the Passover. The church at Corinth coming together to observe the Lord's death. But they were coming together for this service in the WRONG manner. They were making a meal out of it. Some not sharing with others. They were getting drunk on the wine. They were making it all one horrible mess. Wrong theology and wrong manner of doing this remembrance. They were doing no examining of themselves or the manner of observing the Lord's death. I'm sure Paul or someone had instructed them beforetime on how it should be observed. But they were doing their own thing, and in so doing it was one terrible mess.
Paul tells them to examine themselves. Then eat of the bread and drink of the cup [v.28]. For....Paul goes on to say he that eats and drinks "unworthily" [Greek is a verb - doing word] - in the wrong manner as he has pointed out to them; eats and drinks to judgment [see margin].
They were being judged! God was judging them and chastening them [v.32]. If they were to judge themselves, then they would not need to be judged by the Lord [v.31].
NOW NOTICE GOD'S JUDGMENT!!
"FOR THIS CAUSE [not judging themselves and doing the Passover in the right manner], MANY ARE WEAK AND SICKLY AMONG YOU, AND MANY SLEEP [HAVE DIED]!" [v.30].
READ IT AGAIN - MARK IT. NEVER FORGET IT!
GOD HAD TO JUDGE THE CHRISTIANS AT CORINTH; HE HAD TO TRY AND CORRECT THEM; THEY HAD BEEN TAUGHT THE TRUTH AT ONE TIME, BUT WERE NOW FORSAKING IT BIG TIME! NOTHING WAS GETTING THROUGH TO THEM! AND SO GOD HAD NO OTHER RECOURSE IT SEEMS, BUT TO PUNISH IN A PHYSICAL WAY!
HE HAD ALLOWED SICKNESS TO COME ON THEM!!
BUT NOT JUST SICKNESS SUFFERING, BUT EVEN HAVING TO ALLOW IT TO THE POINT OF THEIR DEATH!!
PAUL PULLS NO PUNCHES; HE TELLS THEM GOD IS JUDGING THEM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT JUDGE THEMSELVES. AND THAT PUNISHMENT OF HIM JUDGING THEM, WAS WEAKNESS AND SICKNESS AND EVEN DEATH!
NOW FRIENDS I DID NOT WRITE THIS. IT'S BEEN IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT FOR 2,000 YEARS. IT IS PLAIN TO READ. NOTHING VAGE, NO FIGURE OF SPEECH; CLEAR AND SIMPLE WORDS.
IF NEEDED GOD WILL PUNISH HIS CHILDREN IN NO UNCERTAIN A MANNER .... EVEN TO DEATH! GOD DOES USE PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT ON HIS CHILDREN IF AS A LAST RESORT IT IS NEEDED.
NOW WHAT I AM ABOUT TO RELATE TO YOU SHOULD MAKE THE HAIRS ON THE BACK OF YOUR NECK STAND UP.
I RELATE IT TO YOU NOT BECAUSE I AM SOME HOLY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT OF THE LORD. I AM A SINNER LIKE YOU ARE. BUT WHAT I RELATE SHOWS THAT GOD WILL IF NEEDED JUDGE IN THE MOST SEVERE WAY IN THIS LIFE, TOWARDS HIS CHILDREN THAT WILL NOT GET IT ANY OTHER WAY, THOUGH THE OTHER WAY HAS BEEN PATIENTLY GIVEN TO THEM.
It was 1990 and my work in Kelowna B.C. had pretty well come to an end - time to move on. I was an independent minister but worked with an old friend who was pastoring the CGI congregation in Penticton, south of Kelowna. We [my wife at the time] got a good deal on selling our house, made some nice money, and decided to head to Florida for the winter, as my wife's mother lived there during the winter months. We bought a small and inexpensive duplex near Clearwater, Florida. Lived on one side and rented out the other side. The first Sabbath we were there we went to attend with the CGI congregation in Clearwater.
We sat all through the service; did not expect what came after the service [which should have been for regular members only, but guess God didn't want it that way] - up stood a deacon and his wife, and so began a tirade of the minister they had had for some years, but now was transfered by his secular work to another part of the USA. He's only been gone for a week. But what a thrashing he was getting, accused of this and that by this deacon and his wife. Some rose to his defense, but it seemed the deacon and his wife hand the upper hand and most of the congregation eating out of it. The whole scene was brutal for children of God to be acting. I could take it no more and stood up and told them I was an ordained minister, and this was not the way to solve problems.
Well of course I [and my wife at the time] were immediately in the bad books with this deacon and his wife. After the meeting was all over, they confronted us and accused us of coming in to take over their congregation, which was laughable if they had not been so serious in their conviction. I told them I was an independent minister and had no such ideas as they were thinking, just there to fellowship and no more.
The situation was so serious and the congregation so split and emotionally charged, Ron Dart in the CGI asked the minister they had to return and try and solve the problem. He came the following Sabbath, gave a sermon, then in an open forum ....well the stage of discontent was again an open forum. The deacon and his wife just lambasted this minister up and down both sides. Some, maybe most, were with them. The minister did his best to answer their questions and clear the air. It was not to be, the air would not be cleared. The minister left for home with his tail between his legs, emotionally beaten over, spear-headed by this deacon and his wife.
The deacon and his wife continued to cast in private all kinds of bad things about myself and my wife. Very few were friendly towards us - or unsure of us, so stayed away from us. Some did hold out the hand of fellowship, and we invited them to a supper meal at our place some Sabbath evenings and they invited us to their homes. But overall this deacon and his wife were cutting us to pieces with as many as they could.
After a few months, trying to show everyone we were no threat to them, just wanted to fellowship, and that was all. Tying to show we had no hidden agenda in our pocket. But it was a loosing battle for us.
I did as Matthew 18 tells us to do if we have trouble with a brother or sister. Went to them directly to try and show we were not what they were accusing us of. It did not good, they would only continue to do as much damage as possible towards us. I was keeping Ron Dart informed as to what was going on, and that the problem was with a very angry and emotionally spiteful deacon and his wife.
I sat down to meditate on the sordid situation. I would write a letter to them, explaining in words on paper that we were not clandestinely trying to do what they were telling others we were trying to do.
At the end of this letter I said to the Lord, "Well I've done what your word says Lord about having problems with a brother. I'm giving this letter to them, and I must LEAVE IT IN OUR HANDS HOW YOU WILL DEAL WITH IT."
Passover time came and Ron Dart came to that Passover to conduct services, and bring sermons on the holy days of Unleavened Bread. Ron and I talked together, after services, so all could see, Ron accepted me as a brother in Christ. Most of the congregation warmed up to us, some apologizing to us and asking could they start on a new page with us. Of course we did.
But this deacon and his wife continued after Ron Dart left....continued where they had left off.....very destructive towards my wife and I, and still seeding evil where they could, in the congregation. The congregation was far from being settled with quietness and peaceful emotions.
My wife and I said goodbye in the Spring and went up to Canada.
But at the Christmas break we decided to return to our duplex for a few weeks or more.
We immediately, on the first Sabbath, set off to attend the CGI congregation. We pulled into the parking lot, got out of our car and was met by others with very warm greetings; met at the entrance of the rented accommodations for services with, smiling faces and, "Good to see you both" "Very good to see you" and warm handshakes.
I was taken a back by it all, and I guess the look on my face told that story.
"Did you nor hear?" I was asked.
"No, I've heard nothing since we left you last Spring."
"Well," the main man now in charge [knew him during the winter, and was kinda off-standing with us, but now friendly as could be]. "Well....shortly after you left the deacon came down with cancer from head to his toes.....he was dead within a week. And his wife....you'd never know her; she's as quiet and respectful and humble, as you could ever wish." And before, during and after the service she sure was. Would never have known it was the same lady.
I WAS SHOCKED. I HAD ASKED THE LORD THAT I NOW HAD TO LEAVE IT IN HIS HANDS, TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO WERE SO HARMFUL TO US, AND TO THE CONGREGATION.
I NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS, EVER THOUGHT GOD WOULD DO JUST THAT AND STRIKE THE MAN DEAD, WITH PAINFUL CANCER FROM HEAD TO TOES....AND KILL HIM!
THE LESSON..... IF YOU WILL NOT BE CORRECTED VERBALLY; IF YOU REFUSE TO SEE LIGHT WHEN IT IS GIVEN TO YOU; IF YOU REFUSE TO MEND YOUR WAYS; IF YOUR SIN TOWARDS OTHERS IS SO GREAT, THEN GOD MAY BRING UPON YOU WHAT HE BROUGHT UPON SOME OF THE CORINTHIANS I TALKED ABOUT....SICKNESS AND EVEN DEATH!!
GOD DOES USE FROM TIME TO TIME PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT IF THE SITUATION IS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO WARRANT IT!
CAN WE AS PARENTS DO ANY LESS?
GOD DOES NOT WANT TO USE PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT, BUT WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS OR THE SIN IS SO BAD IT DEMANDS IT; MAKE NO MISTAKE HE WILL USE IT.
CAN WE DO ANY LESS IN REARING OUR CHILDREN?
With all this said. Let me again tell you, physical punishment is not automatic. Some children are so very easy to teach and train, physical punishment may never have to be used on them. They are quick to repent, even with tears, and very seldom do bad things. I known such children. So the idea that every child sometime in their young lives needs to have a spanking, is a very wrong idea. It just is not always so.
Then a physical spanking should always been done with the parent in full control of their emotions. Telling the child why it is necessary; and administering it in love, and only a red sting should be seen, anything other than that is too much. Let me repeat so there is NO misunderstanding..... a red sting is ALL that should be seen.
Then after the spanking love should be shown, telling them you really do love them, and just want to see them grow up to be fine respectful people that never get into trouble with the authorities of the land.
Remember also there are other forms of punishment, that parents know how to use.
Physical spanking should be the last resort, when the child has just gone one too many times over the line, or has done something so horribly bad a spanking is warranted.
The bottom line as I've proved to you, is - God does use physical spanking of sorts, if He must with His children.
Many miss the part of the Lord's Prayer as it has been called....the part..... "lead us not into temptation." Well God does not tempt anyone as James was inspired to write. It should be understood as "lead us not into trails and tests and punishment." In other words we pray that God will help us learn our lessons quickly; admit our mistakes; be willing to be corrected, BEFORE God has to deal with us as He had to deal with many of the Corinthians on the Passover situation of 1 Corinthians 11.
You know it really is "a stitch in time saves nine."
HAVE I CONVINCED YOU ON THIS SUBJECT? FOR SOME MAYBE NOT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS A SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH, IT IS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.
Keith Hunt - May 2014.