From the book
SURPRISING THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT GOD
The Trinity Triangle
The doctrine of the Trinity is more clearly defined in the New Testament than in the Old. Several times the three persons of the Trinity are shown together and seemingly are equal to one another. At the baptism of Jesus, the Spirit descended on him and a voice from God out of heaven identified Jesus as his beloved Son (Matt. 3:16-17). Jesus prayed that the Father would send another Comforter (John 14:16). The disciples were told to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). The three persons of the Trinity are also associated together in their work (1 Cor. 12:4-6; Eph. 1:3-14; 1 Peter 1:2; 3:18; Rev. 1:4-6).
[I WAS RAISED IN A CHURCH OF ENGLAND (ANGLICAN) SCHOOL. IT WAS CALLED “HOLY TRINITY SCHOOL.” SO I HEARD ABOUT A “TRINITY” OF GOD FROM AGE 7. I WAS NEVER TOLD EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO MEAN. WE HAD BIBLE EVERY SCHOOL DAY FOR THE FIRST HALF HOUR. I WAS ALSO READING THE BIBLE FOR MYSELF AT HOME. I WAS ALSO ATTENDING A LOCAL SUNDAY SCHOOL CHURCH. I COULD SEE VERY CLEARLY THERE WAS GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON OR JESUS CHRIST, AND THERE WAS A HOLY SPIRIT. BUT IN ALL THAT READING I NEVER EVER THOUGHT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PERSON IN HEAVEN SITTING ALONGSIDE THE FATHER AND SON. I HAD ALSO READ THE ACCOUNTS OF VISIONS OF HEAVEN, AND THERE WAS NEVER A THIRD INDIVIDUAL PERSON IN THEM AS GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. OF COURSE THERE IS A HOLY SPIRIT THAT WORKS WITH THE FATHER AND SON, OR THAT THE FATHER AND SON USE TO DO THEIR WORK ON THE EARTH AND IN THE UNIVERSE; I ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A POWER COMING OUT OF THE FATHER AND SON, WHICH COULD BE ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE, AND INSIDE PEOPLE; I MEAN HOW DO YOU GET A GOD BEING WITH FORM AND SHAPE TO BE EVERYWHERE AT THE SAME TIME, AND INSIDE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ON EARTH WHO ARE TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD. I WAS 19 WHEN I WAS TOLD IN A BAPTIST CHURCH THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS A LITERAL PERSONAL BEING ALONG WITH THE FATHER AND SON—— I LITERALLY LAUGHED AT THE BAPTIST MINISTER; I COULD NOT BELIEVE HE WAS BEING SERIOUS. AND I LAUGHED MORE WHEN I FOUND OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVED GOD WAS A KIND OF “BLOB” THAT COULD BE THE FATHER, OR SON, OR HOLY SPIRIT, INDIVIDUALLY OR ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THEN RETURN TO BEING ONE BIG BLOB OF SOME KIND, AND SURE ENOUGH THOSE PEOPLE SAID YOU COULD NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND THE TRINITY SO DO NOT TRY. THE HOLY SPIRIT BEING CALLED “HE” AND THE LIKE NEVER BOTHERED ME EITHER AS A KID, WE OFTEN IN OUR LANGUAGE CALL CARS, OR BOATS, AS IF HUMAN, LIKE, “WELL OLD BETTSY THE CAR WENT ALONG JUST FINE ON THIS JOURNEY OUT TO VISIT YOU.”
THE HOLY SPIRIT TO ME AS A KID AND STILL TO THIS DAY, WAS THE VERY NATURE AND POWER OF GOD, COMING FROM THE VERY BODY OF THE FATHER AND THE SON. IT IS AN INVISIBLE POWER SOMETIMES MAKING MANIFEST AT TIMES WITH LOOKING LIKE PHYSICAL THINGS LIKE A DOVE, AND HOW IT LOOK ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST IN ACTS 2.
BUT I STILL LAUGH AT THE IDEA A THIRD LITERAL PERSON IN HEAVEN COULD BE EVERYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE AT THE SAME TIME, OR INSIDE EVERY CHRISTIAN AROUND THE WORLD.
AND READING THE NEW TESTAMENT AS A KID I SAW THE FATHER GOD WAS THE FATHER OF JESUS. AND IT ALSO SAID MARY WAS HAVING A CHILD OF THE HOLY SPIRIT; BUT I NEVER THOUGHT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS THEN THE FATHER OF CHRIST; JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THE FATHER OF HIMSELF WAS GOD THE FATHER. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEPARATE PERSON FROM THE FATHER, THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE FATHER OF JESUS AND NOT GOD THE FATHER. THEN AGAIN THE “TRINITY” TEACHERS WILL SAY IT’S JUST NOT UNDERSTANDABLE…. THE TRINITY, SO DO NOT TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT. BUT YOU SEE I DID NOT KNOW ALL THIS THAT PEOPLE SAID ABOUT THE SO-CALLED TRINITY, SO I DID UNDERSTAND FROM A CHILD THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GODHEAD—— THERE ARE TWO LITERAL PERSONAL BEINGS IN HEAVEN CALLED GOD—— THE FATHER AND THE SON—- ONE GOD BUT TWO INDIVIDUALS. IN GOD’S WORLD TWO CAN BE ONE, AS IN MARRIAGE GOD BROUGHT TWO PERSONS TOGETHER AND SAID THEY WOULD BE ONE - GOD’S ARITHMETIC IS NOT AWAYS OUR ARITHMETIC :-) - Keith Hunt]
The fact of the Trinity is taught in the Old Testament. The very name for God is Elohim—a plural word. Plural pronouns were often used for God (see Gen. 1:26), and even the Hebrew word used to refer to "one God" was the word echad, which connotes a compound unity. There are also references to both "the Son" and "the Spirit of God" throughout the Old Testament, clearly referring to the Trinity.
[SURE THERE IS A PLURALITY WITH GOD - TWO IS PLURAL, RIGHT! OF COURSE THERE IS A SPIRIT OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. BUT THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT “SPIRIT” IS A PERSON WITH FORM AND SHAPE SITTING UP IN HEAVEN WITH THE SON AND FATHER. AND BY THE WAY….. THE WORD “SPIRIT” IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IS IN THE FEMININE GENDER, THE FEMALE GENTER—— SO THAT THEN COULD PROVE (TO SOME IT DOES AND THEY MAKE A DOCTRINE OUT OF IT) THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A FEMALE! NOPE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A WOMAN, AND OR A SEPARATE PERSON FROM THE FATHER AND SON - Keith Hunt]
The Trinity of God. Though the term trinity does not occur in the Bible, it had very early usage in the church. Its Greek form, trias, seems to have been first used by Theophilus of Antioch (A.D. 181), and its Latin form, trinitas, by Tertullian (A.D. 220). In Christian theology, the term Trinity means that there are three eternal distinctions in the one divine essence, known respectively as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three distinctions are three persons, and one may speak of the tri-personality of God. The doctrine of the Trinity is a great mystery. However, it was not birthed by speculation, but was given as revelation in Scripture.
[OH HERE WE GO….. GREAT MYSTERY! BUT THE SCRIPTURES ARE SUPPOSED TO BACK IT UP THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON SEPARATE FROM THE FATHER AND SON—— ALL GOOBIDIGOO NONSENSE. WHAT CERTAIN MEN IN THE SECOND CENTURY AND AFTER TAUGHT, MEANS DIDDLY-GOOP NOTHING! THE CHURCH OF GOD WAS IN THE DAYS OF THE FIRST APOSTLES ALREADY BEING INFILTRATED BY FALSE TEACHERS, JUST READ THE BOOK OF JUDE, TITUS AND 1, 2, 3, JOHN, TO SEE THAT TRUTH - Keith Hunt]
"You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth" (Deut. 32:18). Not only is God the father of Jesus Christ, God is our father and our creator.
[BUT THE ANGEL SAID TO MARY, “THE HOLY SPIRIT SHALL COME UPON YOU, AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW YOU….. BORN OF YOU SHALL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD” LUKE 1:35. SO THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A PERSON, CALLED ALSO GOD, IS THEN THE FATHER OF JESUS AND NOT GOD THE FATHER, SO JESUS PRAYED TO THE WRONG FATHER—— NOT SO, BUT THE TRINITY TEACHING WOULD BRING US TO THIS CONCLUSION - Keith Hunt]
“Jesus said, ‘Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God’” (John 20:17). After Christ's resurrection, he appeared to Mary Magdalene. His instructions to her demonstrate God is fully heavenly Father and God to both himself and to all who believe.
[OKAY NO PROBLEM….. WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH A PERSON CALLED “THE HOLY SPIRIT”? - Keith Hunt]
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isa. 9:6). The prophet Isaiah's words remained a testimony to God's people of the promised Messiah throughout many generations. That the people believed a Messiah would come is unquestionable. However, they were looking for an earthly king who would bring Israel to great heights rather than a Savior who would redeem the world and be their heavenly King first.
[OKAY NO PROBLEM….. WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH PROVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PERSON IN HEAVEN? - Keith Hunt]
"As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased'" (Mark 1:10-11). God himself, visible through the person of the Holy Spirit, spoke to Jesus as John the Baptist baptized Jesus in the Jordan River.
[SO THE INDIVIDUAL THIRD PERSON WITH FORM AND SHAPE, IN HEAVEN, DECIDED TO COME AS A DOVE? THEN HAS A MOUTH TO SPEAK WITH. GIVE ME A BREAK! IT WAS THE SPIRIT NATURE OR POWER OF GOD THE FATHER IN HEAVEN THAT CAME LOOKING LIKE A DOVE; IT WAS GOD THE FATHER SPEAKING, AS THE FATHER WAS THE FATHER OF JESUS, NOT SOME OTHER INDIVIDUAL IN THE GODHEAD - Keith Hunt]
"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters" (Gen. 1:2). The Spirit was present at the creation of the world and remains just as present today.
[OKAY NO PROBLEM….. WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH PROVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEPARATE PERSONAL BEING WITH FORM AND SHAPE, SEPARATE FROM THE FATHER AND SON? - Keith Hunt]
"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth" (Acts 1:8). Jesus made this promise to his disciples before ascending into heaven. The Book of Acts studies the early church; chapter 2 tells of the Holy Spirit's coming at Pentecost.
[OKAY NO PROBLEM…. NEVER SAW IT AS A PROBLEM WHEN I WAS A KID, NO PROBLEM FOR ME TODAY. WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH PROVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PERSON, SITTING IN HEAVEN APART FROM THE FATHER AND SON? - Keith Hunt]
Trinitarian belief as expressed by the Athanasian Creed.
"We worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity; we distinguish among the persons, but we do not divide the substance." It goes on to say, "The entire three persons are co-eternal and coequal with one another. ..." "The heart of Christian faith in God is the revealed mystery of the Trinity. Trinitas is a Latin word meaning three-ness. Christianity rests on the doctrinal truths of the trinitas, the tri-personality, of God. Each person in the Godhead played not only a significant role in our creation but also our redemption."—J. I. Packer
[WORDS OF MEN AS THEY FORMED THIS DOCTRINE….. WHAT HAS THE WORDS OF MEN GOT TO DO WITH PROVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PERSON SITTING IN HEAVEN WITH THE FATHER AND SON? - Keith Hunt]
Perfect harmony. The persons of the Godhead relate one to another in perfect harmony and intimacy—a perfect society. One theologian explains, "If there were no trinity, there could be no incarnation, no objective redemption, and therefore no salvation; for there would be no one capable of acting as mediator between God and man." The Trinity allows for eternal love. Love was before creation, yet love needs an object. Love is always flowing among the persons of the Trinity.
[WORDS OF MEN, THAT ARE SILLY NONSENSE. THERE IS A FATHER AND A SON, AND A HOLY SPIRIT. WHAT HAVE THESE WORDS OF MEN GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS AN INDIVIDUAL SEPARATE PERSON FROM THE FATHER AND SON, SITTING AROUND A THRONE IN HEAVEN, AND JUST AS VISIBLE AS THE FATHER AND SON, IF WE COULD SEE THEM? FURTHER THE IDEA OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A PERSON SEPARATE FROM FATHER AND SON, INTERCEDING FOR US….. THAT IS STUPID CRAZY PLANET PLUTO THEOLOGY—— SEE 2 TIMOTHY 2: 4-6 TO BLOW THAT IDEDA OF MEN INTO A MILLION PIECES. THE HOLY SPIRIT DID NOT BECOME HUMAN; DID NOT OVERCOME GOD IN THE FLESH; DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS; WAS NOT RESURRECTED TO IMMORTAL ETERNAL LIFE. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS INDEED A LITERAL INDIVIDUAL BEING IN HEAVEN, HE STILL COULD NOT BE OUR INTERCESSOR. FOR THE REASONS JUST GIVE, IT COULD ONLY BE JESUS THE CHRIST AS OUR INTERCESSOR BETWEEN US AND THE FATHER - EXACTLY AS PAUL TAUGHT TO TIMOTHY - OH IF PEOPLE WOULD ONLY READ ALL THE BIBLE, OR BE CORRECTED WHEN A VERSE BLOWS AWAY THEIR IDEA - Keith Hunt]
The three persons of the Trinity act in cooperation with one another. No one person in the Godhead acts free of the connection of the other two. They are anchored—the Spirit and Son do not act in opposition to the Father. Were they to do so, we could not speak of the Trinity as "one God, with three distinct persons."
[OF COURSE THE FATHER AND SON ARE ONE IN EVERY WAY, BUT AUTHORITY, AS JESUS SAID, “THE FATHER…. IS GREATER THAN ALL…” - GREATER IN AUTHORITY; AND “I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE” JOHN 10:29-30. YES THEY ARE ONE IN EVERY WAY BUT AUTHORITY. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE POWER NATURE THAT COMES FROM BOTH OF THEM, FROM THEIR VERY MIND AND SPIRIT. AS JESUS SAID, “GOD IS SPRIT” - (THE WORD “A” IS NOT IN THE GREEK) - JOHN 4: 24. AS GOD IS HOLY SO HIS POWER OF NATURE COMING FROM HIM IS THE “HOLY SPIRIT” WHICH CAN BE ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE AT THE SAME TIME; WHICH IS IN EVERY TRUE CHILD OF GOD ANYWHERE ON EARTH - Keith Hunt]
The Father is ‘the God of Peace’ the Son is ‘our Peace,’ and the Holy Spirit is ‘the Spirit of Peace’ and produces ‘the fruit of. . . peace.’ Peace expresses the deepest desire and need of the human heart. It represents the greatest measure of contentment and satisfaction in life.
[OKAY NO PROBLEM….. BUT WHERE DOES THIS PROVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEPARATE PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL FROM THE FATHER AND SON? - Keith Hunt]
There are seven different views on the makeup of the Trinity in regards to subordination and equality between the three distinct persons of the Godhead. Some of these views place more emphasis on power and "line of command" than others; all respect and revere the Trinity as biblical and historically faithful to the beliefs of the church.
The first model posits both the Son and the Spirit proceeding from the Father. The Son and Spirit are on the same level yet independent of one another. The Father is the source of the latter two, yet all three are equally God.
[THIS IS THE THREE SEPARATE INDIVIDUALS IN HEAVEN IDEA - VERY WRONG - Keith Hun t]
Another model states that the Father again is the beginning point from which the Son proceeds. The Spirit, however, proceeds from both the Father and the Son. The Spirit does not have any impact, in essence, on the other two.
[THE SPIRIT DOES COME FROM BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON - HAS NO IMPACT, WELL TRUE IN THE SENSE IT CANNOT AS IT IS THE VERY NATURE POWER THAT COMES FROM BOTH THE FATHER AND SON; IT HAS NO SEPARATE INFLUENCE AS IT IS NOT A SEPARATE PERSON - Keith Hunt]
A third model places the Father and the Son on an equal plane, making them equal in glory. However, the Spirit proceeds from the two at a lower level, acting as a mediator between the divine Father and Son and the earthly world below.
[VERY WRONG, THE SPIRIT CANNOT BE AN INTERCESSOR FOR EARTHLY WORLD BELOW AS I’VE SHOWN ABOVE AND AS PAUL MADE PLAIN TO TIMOTHY AND TO US - Keith Hunt]
Another model shows less of a triangle effect and instead posits that all things originate with the Father, are then passed to the Son, and then through the Son to the Holy Spirit. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all on the same plane of deity, but all things originate with the Father. This view is deeply rooted in both the Eastern and Western churches.
[ALL DOES COME FROM THE FATHER; HE IS THE GREATEST IN AUTHORITY; THE SON HAS ALL THAT THE FATHER HAS EXECPT THE FATHER HAS GREATER AUTHORITY. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THEIR POWER OF NATURE THAT GOES OUT FROM THEM LIKE INVISIBLE ELECTRICITY POWER TO ALL THE UNIVERSE, AND AS THEY DESIRE TO USE IT - Keith Hunt]
The fifth model comes from a more mystical view within the church. The Father is the head, and the rest—the Son, Spirit, and the world—emanate from him. However, the model also holds a place for a return to the Father. It is believed that the Spirit prepares the world for the Son, and the Son (along with the Holy Spirit) leads us back to the Father. This model definitely loses the equality of all three persons within the Godhead.
[WELL SEEING THE WORD “MYSTICAL” PUTS AN END TO THAT MYSTERY NONSENSE AS A FAR OUT PLANET PLUTO THEOLOGY - Keith Hunt]
Augustine's model represents a much more fluid relationship between the three persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Spirit are all on the same level (negating a triangle view such as models one and two), but the Spirit is actually in between the Father and the Son. The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
[WELL CERTAINLY AGREE THE SPIRIT COMES FROM THE FATHER AND SON - Keith Hunt]
David N. Bell suggests the relationship is similar to that of the workings of an electric battery where the Father is the "positive" and the Son is the "negative"—the Spirit is "the current flowing and flashing between them."
[THIS IS GETTING TO MORE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. THE FATHER AND SON HAVE AN INVISIBLE CURRENT FLOWING FROM THEM INTO ALL THE UNIVERSE AND INTO EVERY CHILD OF THE FATHER - Keith Hunt]
He goes on to explain that there is only one substance, one current, but the battery will not function without both the positive and negative ends as well as a route for the current between them. A weakness of this view is that it tends to put the Spirit in a subordinate role as a conduit of the currents flowing from Father to Son and vice versa.
[YA IT CORRECTLY PUTS THE PICTURE WHERE IT SHOULD BE—— BOTH THE FATHER AND SON EMIT A POWER FROM THEIR VERY NATURE THAT GOES OUT INVISIBLY TO THE UNIVERSE, AND TO WHATEVER THE FATHER AND SON WANT TO DO OR COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHILDREN OF GOD THE FATHER, OR/AND WORK THROUGH THEM ANY MIRACLES, MESSAGES ETC. - Keith Hunt]
The seventh and final model takes more of a give-and-take approach between the three persons. Father, Son, and Spirit are points on a circle with no end and no beginning. As the Father influences the Son, the Son influences the Spirit, and the Spirit influences the Father. It is less a picture of two or one being subordinate to the other and more a picture of interdependence between all three. Though the Father might be the starting point from which the Son and Spirit proceed, the Son and Spirit proceed to the Father with their own response.
[WELL AT LEAST THE AUTHORS SEEM TO AGREE THE FATHER IS THE SUPREME BEING; BUT AS I’VE SAID, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON OR INDIVIDUAL BEING SEPARATE FROM THE FATHER AND SON - Keith Hunt]
Various analogies have been made in order to explain the mystery of the Trinity.
Augustine proposed that the three persons may be likened to "proposed lover, beloved, and love itself." Another is that of the components of an apple: the core, flesh, and peel representing God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as the "visible," "tangible" peel that wraps the flesh of the Son and the core of the Father into one thing, an apple.
[ALL SILLY PLUTO IDEAS….KINDA ONE BLOB BEING THREE…. YA A SILLY MYSTERY THEY CANNOT MAKE BUT MAKE AS THEY SAY “A MYSTERY” - Keith Hunt]
Tertullian and Anselm, both church fathers, had views with a more subordinationist approach. Tertullian likened the persons of the Trinity to the root, tree, and fruit. Anselm offered a picture of a spring, stream, and lake to demonstrate how the Trinity flowed and existed.
[ALL SILLY AND NON-SCRIPTURAL - Keith Hunt]
Others prefer to speak of the Trinity in more equal terms. For example, one space with three dimensions: height, length, and depth. Or the three phases of matter: solid, liquid, and gas. All may exist at the same time, with the temperature being the determining factor.
[AGAIN SILLY PLANET PLUTO IDEAS OF THE BLINDED MINDS OF MEN - Keith Hunt]
The Nicene Creed is a statement of the orthodox faith of the early Christian church. Written in response to heresies that included the doctrine of the Trinity, among others, its words remain a testimony of the church's belief in this respect. The creed was used by both Western and Eastern churches, although the Western church insisted on the inclusion of the phrase "and the Son" (known as the Filioque) in the article on the procession of the Holy Spirit. The Eastern church remains steadfast in leaving this phrase out. The creed covers the three persons of the Trinity separately.
[MAN MADE CREEDS AND DOCTRINES OF DEMONS - Keith Hunt]
"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."—Nicene Creed, First Article
[THEY HAVE THIS RIGHT….WUPEEEE - Keith Hunt]
"'And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made."—Nicene Creed, Second Article
[THEY HAVE THIS RIGHT……WUPEEEE AGAIN - Keith Hunt]
"And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life; who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets."—Nicene Creed, Fourth Article
[THEY HAVE THIS CORRECT AS IN IT PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND SON, BUT IT IS NOT WORSHIPPED AS IS THE FATHER AND SON, FOR IT IS NOT A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PERSON SITTING IN HEAVEN NEXT TO THE FATHER AND SON - Keith Hunt]
Denial of the Trinity leads to dangerous theology. Without a view of an active, dynamic God who performs as the Trinity does, it's easy to fall into heresy—deism, pantheism, and agnosticism to name a few. Deism views God as one who is unattached and uninvolved, a God who put the world in motion but doesn't monitor it. Pantheism believes God is inseparable from the world, and many parts of the world are worshiped as God. In agnosticism, God cannot be known—he is a mystery that is impossible to even know. When the Trinity is denied, often Christ's deity is questioned, and the story of the Bible, God's Word, is in effect lost.
[I DENY THE TRINITY AS TAUGHT BY CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANT; NEVER DID BELIEVE WHAT THEY TAUGHT ON THAT DOCTRINE. IT IS FALSE AND INCORRECT. AND THAT HAS NEVER GOT ME TO THINK OR DENY CHRIST WAS VERY GOD, A SECOND MEMBER IN THE GODHEAD. FROM AGE 7 AND ON, READING THE NEW TESTAMENT I’VE ALWAYS SEEN GOD THE FATHER AS THE SUPREME BEING OF THE GODHEAD, TOP IN AUTHORITY. I’VE ALWAYS SEEN JESUS THE CHRIST AS A MEMBER OF THE GODHEAD, HENCE ALSO GOD. I’VE ALWAYS SEEN BOTH OF THEM BEING ETERNAL FROM ETERNITY TO ETERNITY. I’VE ALWAYS SEEN THE GOD WHO BECAME JESUS THE CHRIST, GIVING UP HIS POSITION IN THE GODHEAD TO BECOME HUMAN FLESH AND BLOOD— GOD IN THE FLESH. I’VE ALWAYS SEEN THIS GOD IN THE FLESH AS COMING TO OVERCOME SIN, NEVER SINNING, DOING THE FATHER’S WILL, TEACHING WHAT THE FATHER TOLD HIM TO SAY AND TEACH; BEING FAITHFUL EVEN UNTO DEATH FOR SINNERS; HENCE BEING THE SAVIOR FOR SINNERS, BEING RESURRECTED BY THE FATHER TO ETERNAL LIFE AGAIN, BEING OUR INTERCESSOR WITH THE FATHER, SO HUMANS CAN FIND SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE IN GLORY WITH BOTH THE FATHER AND SON, BECOMING VERY MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY OF GOD.
I’VE ALWAYS SEEN THE HOLY SPIRIT BEING THE VERY POWER AND NATURE OF BOTH THE FATHER AND SON, GOING FORTH AS INVISIBLE NATURE FROM BOTH OF THEM, INTO THE UNIVERSE, AND INTO EVERY TRUE CHILD OF THE FATHER, TO DO THEIR WILL AS THEY DIRECT. THE SILLY IDEA OF A THIRD SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PERSON WITH FORM AND SHAPE, COULD NEVER BE EVERYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE.