BIBLE  CONTRADICTIONS  #7



6. MAN, In Relation to the Future—Death


Men must die.


So death passed upon all men, for that

all have sinned.

Romans 5:12


And as it is appointed unto men once to die.

Hebrews 9:27

Some will not die.


If a man keep my saying, he shall never

see death.

John 8:51

And whosoever liveth and believeth in

me shall never die.

John 11:26

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all

be changed.

                                                                  1 Corinthians 15:51


We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the 

Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. . . . 

The dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are 

alive and remain shall be caught up together with them 

in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.

                                                                            1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

                                                                                       Revelation 2:11



The two texts from John refer not to physical but to spiritual death. The Pauline quotations contemplate the righteous who shall be living on the earth at the time of Christ's second coming. These will not indeed literally "die," but will be "changed"; that is, undergo a transformation equivalent to death, putting off mortality and putting on immortality. All will experience either death, or what is tantamount to it. As Alford says: "The sleep of death cannot be predicated of all of us, but the resurrection-change cam''

Revelation 2:11 also denotes not physical death, but the final punishment of the incorrigibly wicked. It is fitly termed "death," as being an eternal separation from hope and happiness, and an exclusion from all which is worthy of the name "life."



Lazarus not to die.


Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.


John 11:3-4


He did die.


Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe.

John 11:14-15


"This sickness is not unto death"; that is, the ultimate result will not be "death," but "the glory of God." And so it proved, for many of the Jews who witnessed the raising of Lazarus from the dead, believed on the Son of God.212 Thus the Father was glorified in the Son.

Man dies like a beast.


For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast.

Ecclesiastes 3:19


His death different.


Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

212 Compare John 11:45.



In one aspect of the case, there is no distinction between the death of man and that of beasts. Both are uncertain as to the time of it; both are powerless to prevent it; the physical phenomena, in each case, are much the same. In these respects there is a very close resemblance, and this may be the relation of which the author is speaking.

Or, with many commentators, we may say that Solomon raises and answers objections as Paul does so often. Thus the passage in question (Ecclesiastes 3:18-20), beginning "I said in mine heart," etc., may be merely an objection which, being suggested to the mind of Solomon, he proceeds to discuss and solve. Dr. Davidson 213 thinks that the author brings before his readers doubts suggested by observation and reflection, or in some cases presented to him by others. Prof. Stuart: When we view the author in the light of proposing the doubts and difficulties which perplexed his own mind, and sooner or later as solving them, then we meet with no serious embarrassment in interpreting the book.

Prof. Tayler Lewis, in Lange, takes the words, "I said in mine heart concerning," etc., as equivalent to, "I deduced this inference from men's lives, I put this interpretation upon their conduct, that, in their own view, they are beasts." It is man's judgment upon himself, as pronounced by his own conduct. It is the language of his life.

A terribly severe, but no less just, estimate of man, from a point of view apparently identical with his own.



Death ceases.


Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

2 Timothy 1:10

Still exists.


It is appointed unto men once to die.

Hebrews 9:27



"Hath abolished death"; hath taken away its sting and terror, so that it is no longer death, as a grim and terrible monster, but a kind angel come to conduct the believer home to heaven. Alford: "By the death of Christ, death has lost his sting; and is henceforth of no more account; consequently the act of natural death is evermore treated by the Lord himself and his apostles as of no account; and its actual and total abolition foretold."


Men, immortal.


Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luke 12:4

God only, immortal.


The King of kings, and Lord of lords;

who only hath immortality.

1 Timothy 6:15-16


213 Introd. to Old Testament, ii. 385.



The first text is a strong incidental proof that the soul's "immortal," since it does not die with the body. It is beyond the power of the persecutor. When he has killed the body his fury has expended itself; he can do no more; he cannot reach or harm the soul. The survival of the soul is thus plainly implied and assumed by our Lord.


IT  IS  THE  "SPIRIT"  THAT  GOES  BACK  TO  THE  LORD  AS  IN  ECC. 12:9.  BUT  THAT  DOES  NOT  AUTOMATICALLY  MEAN  THE  SPIRIT  OF  MAN  STILL  THINKS,  TALKS,  SPEAKS,  WALKS  AROUND  HEAVEN.  THAT  IDEA  IS  FROM  THE  "IMMORTAL  SOUL"  TEACHERS,  WHICH  IS  AN  ERROR,  BROUGHT  IN  BY  THE  ROMAN  CATHOLIC  CHURCH,  WITH  AN  EVER-BURING  HELL  FIRE,  AND  A  THIRD  PLACE  CALLED  PURGATORY  -  Keith Hunt 


The second text is interpreted by "mortal-soulists," 214 as denying immortality to all beings except God. Hence it would follow that the angels—Gabriel, and Michael the archangel even—are mortal! And if, as Alford thinks, the above text refers to the Father exclusively, it would also follow that the Lord Jesus himself is mortal!


THERE  IS  MUCH  MORE  TO  THE  QUESTION  OF  HUMANS  BEING  "IMMORTAL"  ALREADY.  THE  READER  SHOULD  STUDY  THE  STUDY  CALLED  "DEATH  -  THEN  WHAT?"  ON  THIS  WEBSITE,  FOR  THE  INDEPTH  COVERAGE  OF  THIS  TOPIC  -  Keith Hunt


By parity of reasoning the language employed in Romans 16:27, "God only wise," warrants the inference that God is the only being who possesses wisdom!

The meaning in both cases obviously is that only God possesses the given attribute, inherently and underivedly. Justin Martyr: "He has not this through the will of another, as all the other immortals, but through his own essence." Theodoret: "Immortal by essence, not by participation."

Upon no reasonable interpretation does the passage collide with the derived and dependent immortality of man.


OKAY,  THESE  VERSES  TO  NOT  CONTRADICT;  BUT  THE  SUBJECT  OF  MAN  BEING  CREATED  WITH  AN  IMMORTAL  SOUL  THAT  CONTINUED  TO  THINK,  ACT,  WALK,  TALK,  SEE,  ALL  IN  HEAVEN [IF  "GOOD"]  OR  IN  AGONY  AS  BURNING  FOREVER  IN  HELL-FIRE [IF  BAD]  IS  A  MUCH  LARGER  TOPIC  THAN  A  FEW  VERSES  ABOVE  -  Keith Hunt



Men kill the soul.


Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein.

Joshua 10:28


And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe.

Joshua 11:11


Cannot kill it.


And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28



It is scarcely necessary to allude to the fact that our word "soul" is used in two entirely distinct senses. Thus we say, "The soul is immortal," and, alluding to a marine disaster, "Every soul perished." In the latter case, "soul" is synonymous with "person." This secondary meaning of the word may have arisen from the fact that it is the soul of man which gives him personality. Be this as it

214 We use this term, instead of "Thnetopsychites," the name employed by John Damascenus (see Hagenbach's History of Doctrines, i. 221), to designate those who deny the natural immortality of the soul or spirit of man. The term maybe extended to include also the denial of consciousness to the soul in the interval between death and the resurrection. Apparently the first attempt to introduce Thnetopsychism into the Christian church was made, a.d. 248, by certain errorists from Arabia. Compare Eusebius's Ecclesiastical History, Book vi., chap, xxxvii.; and Guericke's Ancient Church, p. 228.



may, the most orthodox theologians employ the term in these widely different senses.

The corresponding Hebrew and Greek terms are used with similar latitude. Thus, according to Fuerst, the Hebrew word "nephesh" sometimes means the soul, ox, spirit; in other cases, an individual, a person, man. Gesenius says, spirit, soul, mind; also a man, person.

In view of this fact, when one text asserts that Joshua "slew all the souls" in a city, and another affirms that man is "not able to kill the soul," we see that here is no discrepancy. The term "soul," in one case, refers to man in his earthly make-up, as we see him; in the other, to the deathless intelligence which survives the dissolution of its tabernacle, the body.

If, as mortal-soulists assert, the soul actually dies with the body, then he who "kills" the latter, in that very act kills the former also. If the Siamese twins are so connected that the death of one involves that of the other, then the murderer who kills Chang, by that very stroke kills Eng likewise. That is, according to the theory we are criticising, man is as really "able to kill the soul" as God is.


IT  IS  TRUE  MAN  DOES  HAVE  A  "SPIRIT"  IN  HIM,  OR A  LIFE  ESSENCE  THAT  DOES  NOT  DIE  WITH  THE  BODY  BUT  GOES  BACK  TO  GOD  WHO  GAVE  IT  [ECC. 12:9];  BUT  THAT  DOES  NOT  AUTOMATICALLY  MEAN  IT  CONTINUES  TO  THINK,  TALK,  SPEAK,  WALK,  OF  AND  BY  ITSELF.  THE  READER  NEEDS  TO  STUDY  THE  STUDIED  CALLED  "DEATH  -  THEN  WHAT?"  AND  "THE  SPIRIT  IN  MAN"  -  Keith Hunt



Immortality possessed


I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke 12:5


To be acquired.


Who by patient continuance in well

doing seek for glory and honour and

immortality.

Romans 2:7



The first passage implies that there is an intelligence, a spirit, in man, which outlives and is not affected by the dissolution of the body. Hence God, after he has killed the body, may cast the soul into hell. It is the immortal part which survives to be thus disposed of.


NOPE,  THE  VERSE  DOES  NOT  SAY  THAT;  THAT  INTERPRETATION  IS  BEING  READ  INTO  THE  VERSE.  THE  VERSE  SIMPLY  MEANS  AND  SAYS  GOD  CAN  KILL  TWO  TIMES.  ONCE  IN  THIS  LIFE,  AND  AGAIN  FOR  UN-REPENTANT  SINNERS,  INTO  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE,  THE  SECOND  DEATH  -  REVELATION  20  -  Keith Hunt


As to Romans 2:7, a favorite inference of mortal-soulists is this: "Since man is here spoken of as seeking 'immortality' it follows that he does not possess it by nature." To this characteristic sophism, it is sufficient to reply that, as every scholar is aware, the Greek word used here is not "athanasia," immortality, but "aphtharsia," incorruption, 215 and points to that exemption from moral corruption which the saints are "seeking" here, and which they will fully attain in heaven. The passage does not touch the question of man's immortality at all.


IF  THE  VERSE  DOES  NOT  TOUCH  MAN'S  IMMORTALITY  AT  ALL,  THEN  THE  VERSES  CANNOT  PROVE  MAN  IS  IMMORTAL  ALREADY,  AND  ON  PHYSICAL  DEATH  GOES  TO  HEAVEN  OR  HELL-FIRE;  IN  HEAVEN  WALKING,  TALKING,  SEEING,  HEARING,  THINKING;  IN  HELL-FIRE  GROANING  IN  AGONIZING  SUFFERING  OF  SOME  KIND  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY  -  Keith Hunt

215 See Ephesians 6:24, where the same word is translated "sincerity."



Intermediate State


Dead unconscious.


His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth not of them.

Job 14:21


Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. 

                                                     

                                                                                       Ecclesiastes 9:10



Conscious.


But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.

Job 14:22


The rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments.

Luke 16:22-23



As preliminary to the discussion, we repeat that there is no proof that Job or any of his friends were inspired—divinely commissioned as religious teachers. 216


THAT'S  A  COP  OUT;  IT  WAS  NOT  JUST  JOB  WHO  SPOKE  THIS  WAY  ABOUT  DEATH  -  Keith Hunt


Moreover, the ideas of the ancients, particularly in that early age in which Job lived, were very vague and obscure respecting the future state. "Life and immortality" were not "brought to light" till Christ came.


YES  TRUE,  AND  JESUS  SAID  "NO  MAN  HAS  ASCENDED  UP  TO  HEAVEN  BUT  HE  THAT  CAME  FROM  HEAVEN"  -  GOSPEL  OF  JOHN  -  Keith Hunt


Whately, following Warburton, says: "To the Israelites of old Moses had no commission to hold out the hopes and fears of another world, but only a 'land flowing with milk and honey' and long life, and victory, and other temporal rewards. But the 'bringing in of a better hope' by the gospel taught the Christian to 'set his affection on things above, not on things on the earth' and to look for a heavenly Canaan, a land of promise beyond the grave. God's kingdom of old was a kingdom of this world; but Christ's kingdom is 'not of this world.'"217

Dr. Davidson 218 thus sets forth the Hebrew view of the condition of the dead in "sheol," the place of departed spirits: "Their time is passed in a kind of sleep, whence they are only roused by some uncommon occurrence. Thus they are represented as shut up in a land of forgetfulness—dreamy shades almost destitute of consciousness."

Dr. Jahn, in his Biblical Archaeology, 219 gives, as will be seen subsequently, a more attractive view than the foregoing rationalistic one of Dr. Davidson. However, in the most favorable aspect of the case, it must be admitted that the notions of the ancient Israelites respecting the future life were not seldom quite obscure and indefinite. Nor is this strange; for revelation is progressive. There

216 Professor Stuart, speaking of the irrelevant appeals which are made to the Old Testament,
both in and out of the pulpit, and the unsuitable quotations made from it, observes: "Books
of such a peculiar nature as Job and Ecclesiastes, for example, are resorted to with as much
confidence for proof-texts, as if they were all preceptive, and not an account of disputes
and doubts about religions matters."—History of Old Testament Canon, p. 409 (Revised
edition, p. 382).

217 Future State, p. 150.

218 Introd. to Old Testament, ii. 290.

219 Section 314.


is an onward march of doctrine in the Bible, from its beginning to its close. The great truths of the Divinity of the Messiah, the atonement, justification by faith, and human immortality, were imperfectly revealed and crudely held in patriarchal times. Hengstenberg: "As far as the saints of the Old Testament attained in their knowledge, they were quite right; they were only excluded from farther light. But it is error alone which inspiration excludes, not the defect and imperfection of knowledge."

Those early times were the dim dawn of revelation; our age beholds the full radiance of the gospel sun at his meridian height. This consideration explains the apparent disagreement between the New Testament and the Old in regard to the intermediate state.


NO  THERE  IS  NO  DISAGREEMENT  ABOUT  PHYSICAL  DEATH  BETWEEN  THE  OLD  AND  THE  NEW  TESTAMENT.  BOTH  TEACH  THE  SAME  THING.  THERE  IS  INDEED  A  SPIRIT  IN  MAN  THAT  GOES  BACK  TO  GOD  AT  DEATH.  BUT  THAT  SPIRIT  DOES  NOT  FUNCTION  WITHOUT  A  BODY  TO  FUNCTION  IN.  WHILE  IN  THE  PHYSICAL  BODY,  IF  THERE  IS  A  HEAD  INJURY  THAT  EFFECTS  THE  BRAIN [CAN  NOT  LONGER  RECALL  ANYTHING  IN  THE  PAST,  AS  ONE  EXAMPLE]  THE  "SPIRIT"  DOES  NOT  TAKE  OVER  AND  RECALL  THE  PAST.  IF  YOU  LOOSE  A  LEG  THE  SPIRIT  IN  MAN  DOES  NOT  GIVE  YOU  A  LEG  TO  WALK  ON  AS  LIKE  YOU  NEVER  LOST  A  PHYSICAL  LEG.  EXAMPLES  COULD  BE  ENDLESS.  SUCH  ARGUMENTS  AS  ABOVE  ARE  CONTRIVED  TO  GET  AROUND  THE  PLAIN  OLD  AND  NEW  TESTAMENT  SCRIPTURES  THAT  PROVE  THE  SPIRIT  IN  MAN  IS  NOT  A  LIVING,  THINKING,  SPEAKING,  WALKING,  HEARING,  PERSON  IN  HEAVEN  AT  DEATH,  OR  A  MOANING,  WAILING,  PERSON  IN  HELL-FIRE  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY  -  Keith Hunt



Just here the reader will observe that nearly all of the texts adduced by mortal-soulists to prove the unconsciousness of the dead, are taken from the Old Testament and particularly from its poetical books. Now, to go back from noonday to twilight in search of our eschatology—to ignore the plain and dear teachings of the New Testament, and adopt as a basis of doctrine the poetic utterances of a preliminary, rudimental, far less spiritual dispensation—does not indicate the highest wisdom on the part of those who pursue this course. Yet this is the policy adopted by the mortal-soulists in advocating their theory.


AGAIN  A  WEAK,  VERY  WEAK  ARGUMENT;  THE  OLD  TESTAMENT  IS  AS  INSPIRED  AS  THE  NEW;  PAUL  SAID,  ALL  SCRIPTURE  IS  GOD  BREATHED.  THERE  ARE  CLEAR  VERSES  IN  THE  NEW  TESTAMENT  THAT  SHOW  PEOPLE  [GOOD  ONES;  CHRISTIAN  ONES]  DO  NOT  GO  TO  HEAVEN  AT  DEATH.  JESUS  CAME  FROM  HEAVEN  AND  JESUS  SAID,  NO  MAN  HAS  ASCENDED  UP  TO  HEAVEN  BUT  HE  THAT  CAME  DOWN  FROM  HEAVEN….. HIMSELF.  HE  SHOULD  SURELY  KNOW  AS  HE  WAS  WITH  THE  FATHER  FROM  ETERNITY  -  Keith Hunt


But let us examine the foregoing texts.

Job 14:21 simply refers to man in his relation to the present life, and asserts that at death he is entirely dissociated from the things of earth; he has no more connection with them. But the very next verse shows that consciousness is not denied to the dead.


AH  JOB  IS  JUST  UTTERING  TRUTHS  OF  LIFE  AND  DEATH,  NOT  NECESSARILY  FOLLOWING  EACH  OTHER.  IF  THESE  VERSES  FOLLOW  EACH  OTHER,  LET'S  BE  LOGICAL,  WHO  WOULD  WANT SUCH  IMMORTALITY?  THEY  CAN'T  RECOGNIZE  THEIR  CHILDREN,  EVEN  THE  UPS  AND  DOWNS  IN  LIFE  THEY  HAVE;  YET  HE  IS  IMMORTAL  WITH  PAINFUL  FLESH [DO  YOU  STILL  HAVE  FLESH  FOR  ALL  ETERNAL  IMMORTALITY?],  AND  THE  SOUL  OR  SPIRIT  IN  MAN  IS  MOURNING.  NOW  WHAT  KIND  OF  IMMORTALITY  IS  THAT?  MAYBE  YOU  WANT  TO  ARGUE  IT  IS  THE  IMMORTALITY  OF  THE  WICKED  IN  HELL-FIRE;  SOME  KIND  OF  FLESH  THAT  BURN  AND  CAN  HAVE  PAIN,  AND  THE  MIND [SOUL,  SPIRIT  IN  MAN]  IS  MOURNING.  SURELY  YOU  DO  NOT  FROM  THESE  TWO  VERSES  WANT  TO  ARGUE  IT  IS  THE  IMMORTALITY  CONTINUING  FOR  CHRISTIANS  AFTER  THEIR  PHYSICAL  DEATH?  IF  THAT  IS  WHAT  IS  ARGUED  HERE,  THEN  I  SAY  THAT  IS  SOME  STRANGE  IMMORTALITY  FOR  CHRISTIANS  AFTER  DEATH.  HENCE  THE  AGNOSTICS  AND  ATHEISTS  LAUGH  AT  THE  BIBLE  AND  PEOPLE  WHO  MAKE  UP  SUCH  SILLY  THEOLOGY  IDEAS.  NOTICE  ALL  THE  PREVIOUS  VERSES  FROM  VERSE 17.  WHEN  DOES  GOD  SEAL  UP  OUR  INIQUITIES [IN  GROWING  UP?  IN  OUR  20s?  IN  OUR  30s?  IN  OUR  60s?].  DO  THE  MOUNTAIN  FALL,  THEN  THE  ROCKS?  OR  IS  IT  SOMETIMES  THE  ROCK  THAN  MOVES,  AND  THEN  MAYBE  SOMETIME  THE  WHOLE  MOUNTAIN.  THE  WATERS  WASH  AWAY  THE  STONES….THEN  AFTER  THAT  DOES  GOD  WASH  AWAY  THE  THINGS  OUT  OF  THE  DUST  OF  THE  EARTH?  THEN  AFTER  THOSE  THING,  GOD  DESTROYS  THE  HOPE  OF  MEN?  OR  DOES  THE  HOPE  OF  MEN  COME  DOWN  FOR  WHATEVER  REASON  BEFORE  THE  WATER  WEARS  THE  STONES?  DOES  THE  WATER  HAVE  TO  WEAR  THE  STONES  BEFORE  GOD  CAN  WASH  AWAY  THINGS  WHICH  GROW  IN  THE  DUST?  OR  CAN  IT  BE  THE  OTHER  WAY  AROUND?  OF  COURSE  IT  CAN!

VERSES  21  AND  22  ARE  NOT  CONSECUTIVE;  THEY  CONTRASTIVE!

JOB  IS  CONTRASTING  DEATH  AGAINST  THE  CONTRAST  OF  THAT  WHICH  IS  OFTEN [GENERAL  STATEMENT]  IN  THIS  PHYSICAL  LIFE.  IN  THIS  PHYSICAL  LIFE  WE  OFTEN  HAVE  PAIN  IN  THE  FLESH  FROM  THIS  OR  THAT;  AND  OUR  MENTAL  LIVES  [INNER  SOULS  OR  SPIRIT] OFTEN  MOURNS,  AGAIN  FROM  THIS  OR  THAT  CIRCUMSTANCE.  THESE  VERSES  ARE  NO  MORE  CONSECUTIVE  THAN  THE  MOUNTAINS  FALLING [AN  EARTHQUAKE]  THAN  THE  ROCKS  BEING  REMOVED.  A  MOUNTAIN  IS  A  MOUNTAIN;  A  ROCK  IS  A  ROCK;  A  ROCK  FROM  A  MOUNTAIN  CAN  FALL  BEFORE  A  MOUNTAIN  IS  REMOVED;  A  MOUNTAIN  CAN  BE  REMOVED  BEFORE  A  ROCK  FALLS.  

THESE  VERSES  ARE  STATEMENTS  OF  FACTS  -  NOT  STATEMENTS  OF  A  MUST  BE  ORDER  -  A  MUST  BE  ONE,  TWO,  THREE,  ORDER.

JOB  IN  VERSE  22  IS  STATING  WHAT  MANY  PEOPLE  GO  THROUGH  IN  THIS  PHYSICAL  LIFE  -  PAIN  IN  THE  FLESH  AND  MOURNING  IN  THE  SPIRIT,  WITH  THE  CONTRAST  OF  DEATH  IN  VERSE  21  -  FREEDOM  FROM  PHYSICAL  PAIN  AND  MENTAL  ANGUISH  IN  THE  PEACE  OF  DEATH,  WHERE  SUCH  PHYSICAL  THINGS  HAVE  NO  EFFECT  ON  YOU.

NOTICE,  STARTING  WITH  VERSE  10,  "BUT  MAN [NOT  HIS  BODY]  -  MAN  DIETH,  AND  WASTETH  AWAY:  YES,  MAN  [NOT  HIS  BODY]  GIVES  UP  THE  SPIRIT [YES  IT  GOES  BACK  TO  GOD  WHO  GAVE  IT  -  ECC.  12:9],  AND  WHERE  IS  HE?…..SO  MAN [NOT  HIS  BODY]  LIES  DOWN,  AND  RISES  NOT;  TILL  THE  HEAVENS  BE  NO  MORE,  THEY [NOT  THEIR  BODY]  SHALL  NOT  AWAKE,  NOR  BE  RAISED  OUT  OF  THEIR  SLEEP!  O  THAT  THOU  WOULD  HIDE  ME  IN  THE  GRAVE,  THAT  YOU  WOULD  KEEP  ME  SECRET,  UNTIL  YOUR  WRATH  IS  PAST [THE  GREAT  DAY  OF  THE  LORD  IN  BIBLE  PROPHECY,  ABOUT  THE  LAST  YEAR  OF  THIS  AGE  BEFORE  JESUS  RETURNS];  THAT  YOU  WOULD  APPOINT  ME  A  SET  TIME,  AND  REMEMBER  ME  [NOT  MY  BODY].  IF  A  MAN  DIE,  SHALL  HE  LIVE  AGAIN?  ALL  THE  DAYS  OF  MY  APPOINTED  TIME  WILL  I  WAIT,  TILL  MY  CHANGE  COME  [THE  RESURRECTION  TO  IMMORTAL  LIFE -  1 COR. 15]. YOU  SHALL  CALL  AND  I  [NOT  MY  BODY]  WILL  ANSWER  THEE:  YOU  WILL  HAVE  A  DESIRE  TO  THE  WORK  OF  YOUR  HANDS"  [VERSES  12-15].

GOD  WILL  FINISH  THE  WORK  OF  SALVATION  WITH  HIS  CHILDREN,  WHEN  HE  CALLS  AT  THE  TIME  OF  THE  RESURRECTION;  WHEN  THE  SAINTS  [NOT  THEIR  BODY,  AS  A  WHOLE  SPIRIT  PERSON]  SHALL  BE  CALLED  BACK  TO  A  THINKING,  HEARING,  TALKING,  WALKING,  SEEING,  PERSON,  THOUGH  NOW  IN  IMMORTAL  SPIRIT  FORM,  AT  THE  COMING  OF  CHRIST, WHEN  THE  RESURRECTION  OR  INSTANT  CHANGE  COMES  TO  THE  SAINTS  OF  ALL  AGES.

DEATH  AND  THE  RESURRECTION  TOPICS  ARE  COVERED  IN  FULL  IN-DEPTH  DETAIL  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt

  


As to the next citation, Stuart and Hengstenberg take it as the statement of an objection which is afterwards refuted. The latter says: "The manner of the scriptures is to let doubts and murmurings have free and full expression, and then to vanquish them in open conflict with the sword of faith."


MEANS  NOTHING  IN  EXPLAINING  THESE  VERSES,  JUST  MUMBO-JUMBO  -  Keith Hunt


Job 14:22 is rendered by Delitzsch: "Only on his own account his flesh suffereth pain, and on his own account is his soul conscious of grief." Similarly Eichhorn, Noyes, Barnes, and Conant. Hofmann: "The pain of his own flesh, the sadness of his own soul alone engage him. He has therefore no room for rejoicing, nor does the joyous or sorrowful estate of others, though his nearest ones, affect him."


AT  TIMES  THAT  CAN  BE  TRUE  OF  ANY  OF  US;  A  GENERAL  STATEMENT  ONLY,  AS  SOME  GO  THROUGH  LIFE  WITH  LITTLE  PAIN  OR NO  PAIN  IN  THE  BODY,  AND  LITTLE  OR  NO  ANGUISH  OF  THE  MIND  -  Keith Hunt


As to the text from Luke, if it be a parable, we may then say, with Bishop Bull, "It plainly belongs to the very scope and design of this parable to show what becomes of the souls of good and bad men after death." If it is not a parable its tenor cannot be a matter of doubt.


IT  IS  NOT  A  PARABLE!  BUT  FEW  UNDERSTAND  WHAT  JESUS  WAS  SAYING.  I  EXPLAIN  IN  DETAIL  THE  TRUTH  OF  THIS  DISCORD  OF  LAZARUS  AND  THE  RICH  MAN  BY  JESUS  IN  A  STUDY  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt



Prof. Bartlett: 220 "The question whether this is a history or a parable it is not necessary to discuss. In either mode the scripture teaches truth, important and often vital truth. The chief difference is that one mode asserts what has occurred; the other, what does occur.'"

In any aspect Christ could not have lent his sanction to falsehood or imposture. As Alford fitly remarks, "In conforming himself to the ordinary language current on these subjects, it is impossible to suppose that he whose essence is truth could have assumed as existing anything which does not exist. It would destroy the truth of our Lords sayings, if we could conceive him to have used popular language which did not point at truth. And, accordingly, where such language was current, we find him not adopting, but protesting against it."221

Therefore, with Alford, Trench, Wordsworth, and the best commentators, we take the passage relative to the rich man and Lazarus as teaching, at all events, two things: first, that the soul of man is conscious after death; and secondly that, according to its moral character, it goes either into a place of happiness and repose or into one of disquiet and misery. These two thoughts not only lie upon the surface of the narrative; but they also constitute its very life and essence.


OH  HOW  WRONG  ARE  SOME  OF  THE  SO-CALLED  "SCHOLARS"  OF  THEOLOGY;  ON  SOME  VITAL  ISSUES  THEY  ARE  AS  DUMB  AS  SHEEP;  THEY  ARE  THE  BLIND  LEADING  THE  BLIND;  AND  AS  JESUS  SAID, BOTH  SHALL  FALL  INTO  THE  DITCH  THE  TRUTH  OF  THIS  LAZARUS  AND  THE  RICH  MAN  IS  FULLY  EXPLAINED  ON THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt


The dead, asleep

.

And Jeroboam slept with his fathers,

even with the kings of Israel.

2 Kings 14:29


For now should I have lain still and been quiet. I should have slept.

Job 3:13


Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus

is dead.

John 11:11-14


And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 7:60



Awake.


Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth.

Isaiah 14:9


Being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient.

1 Peter 3:18-20


I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:9-10



The language which represents death as a "sleep" is figurative, and is founded upon a certain resemblance of external phenomena. But this application

220 Life and Death Eternal, p. 219.

221 See Matt 15:5-6.


of the term does not necessitate the unconsciousness of the "sleeper;" for, as even Whately 222 concedes, "The mind, certainly for the most part, and probably always, continues active during sleep, though in a different manner." A high authority, Dunglison's Medical Dictionary, defines "sleep" as "temporary interruption of our relations with external objects." It is this interruption, with the attendant inaction, the insensibility to external material objects, and the repose, which makes sleep the "image of death." In neither case have we proof that the mind ceases to act, becomes unconscious, or extinct.

The citation from Isaiah represents the dead as awake and conscious. Delitzsch: "All hades is overwhelmed with excitement and wonder, now that the king of Babel, that invincible ruler of the world, who, if not unexpected altogether, was not expected so soon, is actually approaching."

On the next quotation Alford says: "With the great majority of commentators, ancient and modern, I understand these words to say that our Lord, in his disembodied state, did go to the place of detention of departed spirits, and did there announce his work of redemption, preach salvation in fact, to the disembodied spirits of those who refused to obey the voice of God when the judgment of the flood was hanging over them."

Prof. Tayler Lewis: 223 "We are taught that there was a work of Christ in hades. He descended into hades; he makes proclamation 'ekeruxen' in hades to those who are there 'in ward" This interpretation, which was almost universally adopted by the early Christian church, 224 and which is far more tenable than any other, involves, of course, the consciousness of departed souls.

The text from Revelation is very explicit, representing the souls of those who had suffered martyrdom, not as insensible, but as awake in the place of rest.


YA  AND  THEY  ARE  ALL  [THOUSANDS  OF  THEM - TENS  OF  THOUSANDS  OF  THEM  -  SAINTS  OF  ALL  AGES]  UNDER  THE  ALTAR  IN  HEAVEN,  ACCORDING  TO  THE  REST  OF  THIS  REVELATION  VERSE.  AGAIN  THE  BLINDNESS  AND  SILLY  REASONING  OF  "SCHOLARS"  OF  THEOLOGY,  IS  AMAZINGLY  DUMB  AT  TIMES.  THE  ABOVE  ARGUMENTS  ARE  ALL  ANSWERED  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  IN  VARIOUS  STUDIES  -  Keith Hunt


Devoid of knowledge.


For in death there is no remembrance of

thee: in the grave who shall give thee

thanks?

Psalm 6:5


The dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy,  is  now perished;  neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ecclesiates 9:5-6



Possess knowledge.


And he said, For I will go down into

the grave unto my son mourning.

Genesis 37:35



And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? . . . And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thy hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David. . . . Moreover, the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

                                                               1 Samuel 28:15,17,19



SUPPOSED  PROOF  OF  LIVING  ON  AFTER  DEATH,  IN  A  STATE  OF  THINKING,  TALKING,  SPEAKING  ETC.  THE  CONTEXT  SHOWS  SAUL  HAD  GONE  TO  A  MEDIUM  AT  ENDOR.  PEOPLE  WHO  WORK  WITH  THE  DARK  SPIRIT  WORLD  CAN  INDEED  BRING  UP  SUPPOSED  DEAD  RELATIVES  AND  FRIENDS.  THE  DEMONIC  WORLD  ARE  ABLE  TO  APPEAR  AND  TALK  AS  IF  PAST  PEOPLE  THEY  KNEW  ARE  ALIVE  -  Keith Hunt

Future State, p. 82.

In Lange on Ecclesiastes, p. 130. Compare Bib. Sacra, Vol. iv. 708; xvi. 309; xix. 1.


" Professor Huidekoper: "In the second and third centuries, every branch and division of Christians, so far as their records enable us to judge, believed that Christ preached to the departed."—Christ's Mission to the Underworld, pp. 51, 52. Dietelmair, in his elaborate "Historia Dogmatis de Descensu Christi ad Inferos," says emphatically that this doctrine "in omni coetu Christiano creditum."—See chapters iv. and vi., of that work.


WHAT  THE  SO-CALLED  "CHURCH"  TAUGHT  AT  ANY  TIME,  MEANS  NOTHING;  THE  CHURCH  IN  CATHOLIC  AND  PROTESTANT  EYES  MEANS  THEIR  CHURCH.  AND  THEIR  CHURCH  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  THE  VERY  TRUE  CHURCH  OF  GOD,  AND/OR  THE  TRUTHS  OF  THE  BIBLE  -  Keith Hunt



Not living



For the grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

Isaiah 38:18


But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.


2 Samuel 12:23



PRETTY  STRAIT  FORWARD  TALK  HERE,  NO  THEOLOGY  DEGREE  NEEDED  --  Keith Hunt



Living



I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment .... Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 


                                                                                     Luke 16:27-28, 30


For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

1 Peter 4:6



David's words are highly poetical and figurative, representing the dead as entirely separated from earthly scenes, employments, and society; and especially as giving, so far as visible and material things are concerned, no evidence of sensation or emotion. They speak of death in its earthly aspect.


NOT  POETICAL  AT  ALL…… THEY  MEAN  WHAT  THEY  SAY  AND  SAY  WHAT  THEY  MEAN  -  Keith Hunt


The quotation from Ecclesiastes, Hengstenberg and Stuart take as the statement of an objection, with a view to refute it. The bald literalism which mortal-soulists apply to this passage is simply suicidal. For, it is asserted of the dead, including the saint as well as the sinner, and without any qualification, "Neither have they any more a reward" Now a literal exegesis of this language absolutely cuts off Abraham, Moses, David, and all the righteous dead from any future reward! We think the above-named theorists would be slow to admit this logical result of their methods of exposition. Yet there is quite as much reason for insisting upon a literal interpretation of the words just cited, as of the clause, "The dead know not any thing."


YES  IT  IS  LITERAL!  THE  REWARD  THEY  DO  NOT  HAVE  IS  THE  REWARDS,  PAYMENTS,  HONOR….  ALL  THAT  THE  PHYSICAL  WORLD  CAN  BESTOW  ON  PHYSICAL  PERSONS.  YOU  HAVE  ARMY  PERSONS  BEING  AWARDED  MEDALS  OF  HONOR;  YOU  HAVE  PEOPLE  AWARDED  THE  "NOBEL  PRIZE"  -  YOU  HAVE  CITIZENS  BEING  REWARDED  OR  AWARDED  MEDALS  OF  BRAVERY;  YOU  HAVE  "HONORY  DEGREES"  AWARDED  TO  PEOPLE  FOR  LIFE  TIME  ACHIEVEMENTS.  THIS  IS  THE  "NO  REWARD"  THE  DEAD  DO  NOT  HAVE.  IT  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  THE  REWARD  ALL  SAINTS  WILL  RECEIVE  AT  THE  COMING  OF  CHRIST  -  Keith Hunt


The true explanation of this and kindred texts is the following: Zockler: "The author now sees only the conditions of this world"; he speaks of man merely in his relation to the present life. This interpretation agrees admirably with the closing words, "Neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun." That is, so far as this world is concerned, the dead have no knowledge, nor reward, nor portion. They are as completely severed from earthly affairs, as if they had passed into extinction.


YES  BUT  THE  SCRIPTURES  ALLSO  SAY  THE  DEAD  CANNOT  PRAISE  GOD.  TO  THINK  THE  SAINTS  IN  HEAVEN  ARE  ALIVE  IN  THOUGHT  AND  WORD,  AND  CANNOT  PRAISE  GOD,  IS  RIDICULOUS  TO  THE  NINTH  DEGREE  -  Keith Hunt


The quotation from Isaiah, is the language of king Hezekiah of whose "inspiration" there is no proof.


ALWAYS  A  GOOD  WAY  OUT  TO  NOT  ADMIT  A  TRUTH,  JUST  SAY  THEY  WERE  NOT  INSPIRED  TO  SAY  OR  WRITE  SUCH  AND  SUCH  A  THING  -  Keith Hunt


Of the affirmative passages, the first should be rendered, "I will go down into sheol unto my son mourning."

Prof. Tayler Lewis: 225 "Jacob was going to his son; he was still his son; there is yet a tie between him and his father; he is still spoken of as a personality; he is still regarded as having a being somehow and somewhere." . . . "It was not to his son in his grave, for Joseph had no grave. His body was supposed to be lying somewhere in the desert, or torn in pieces, or carried off, by the wild beasts."


DO  WE  NOT  YET  USE  SUCH  LANGUAGE;  "I  GO  TO  MY  SON  IN  DEATH"  -  A  WAY  OF  SAYING  I  WILL  NOW  [OR  SHORTLY]  JOIN  MY  SON  IN  DEATH.  WE  DO  NOT  ALWAYS  MEAN  SUCH  PHRASES  AS  LITERALLY  AS  JOINING  HIM  IN  TALKING  TO  HIM,  WALKING  AROUND  WHEREVER  WITH  HIM,  PLAYING  BASKET  BALL  WITH  HIM,  OR  KICKING  A  SOCCER  BALL  AROUND  WITH  HIM.  AGAIN  THOSE  WHO  TEACH  GOING  TO  HEAVEN  OR  HELL-FIRE  AT  DEATH,  WILL  GRAB  ON  TO  ANYTHING  TO  HOLD  THEIR  THEOLOGY.  IF  PEOPLE  DO  GO  TO  HEAVEN  AT  DEATH,  THEN  PEOPLE  ALSO  GO  TO  HELL-FIRE  AND  ARE  IN  SOME  KIND  OF  TORMENT  FOR  ETERNITY.  SUCH  THEOLOGY  KEEPS  THE  BIBLE  SKEPTIC  AND  ATHEIST  AS  A  SKEPTIC  AND  ATHEIST  -  Keith Hunt


Herder: 226 "Abraham was gathered to his fathers, 227 though he was not buried with them, and Jacob wished to go down to the realm of shades to his beloved son, although he supposed him to have been torn in pieces by wild beasts." In a word, Jacob expected, as a disembodied spirit, to meet and recognize the spirit of his son in the underworld. The same idea pervades David's words in 2 Samuel 12 concerning his child. As to 1 Samuel 28, apparently the soul of the prophet was permitted to return from sheol, and announce to the terrified Saul his impending destruction. The reproof and the prediction are exactly in keeping with the character of Samuel, and show that he knew whereof he affirmed. He had not, therefore, in death parted with his knowledge.


FIGURES  OF  SPEACH  ARE  USED  THROUGHOUT  THE  BIBLE.  BULLINGER  WROTE  A  1,000  PAGE  BOOK  ON  "FIGURES  OF  SPEECH  IN  THE  BIBLE."  AS  STATED  DEMONS  ARE  ABLE  TO  APPEAR  THROUGH  MEDIUMS,  AS  PEOPLE  YOU  ONCE  KNEW.  AND  THEY  CAN  ALSO  SPEAK  TRUTH.  PAUL  SAID  SATAN  HIMSELF  CAN  APPEAR  AS  AN  ANGEL  OF  LIGHT.  IF  HE  CAN  LOOK  LIKE  AN  ANGEL  OF  LIGHT,  HE  CAN  SURELY  DECEIVE  BY  WORDS  OF  TRUTH  ALSO,  AMONG  WORDS  OF  DECEPTION  -  Keith Hunt


Keil: "The modern orthodox commentators are unanimous in the opinion that the deceased prophet did really appear, and announce the destruction of Saul, not, however, in consequence of the magical arts of the witch, but through a miracle wrought by the omnipotence of God." Lord Arthur Hervey in Bible Commentary, and Archbishop Trench in "Shipwrecks of Faith," concur in this view. This is far the most natural and reasonable explanation. Saul's sin of "necromancy" 228 was thus made the occasion and commencement of his punishment.


NOPE!  SATAN  AND  DEMONS  CAN  COME  AS  ANGELS  OF  LIGHT;  LOOKING  LIKE  AND  SPEAKING  LIKE  THEY  ARE  ANGELS  OF  LIGHT;  HOW  EASIER  THEN  FOR THEM  TO  COME  AS  PEOPLE  KNOWN  IN  THE  PAST  BY  OTHERS.  PROBABLY  A  LOT  OF  UFOs  HAVE  BEEN  DEMONS  IN  VARIOUS  FORMS  TO  HAVE US  BELIEVE  THERE  IS  INTELLIGENT  LIFE  OUT  IN  THE  UNIVERSE,  EVEN  MORE  ADVANCED  THAN  US,  WHO  ARE  SNOOPING  AROUND  OUR  PLANET  -  Keith Hunt


We have elsewhere seen that the narrative of Dives in Luke 16 presupposes the retention of knowledge by departed souls.


LAZARUS  AND  THE  RICH  MAN  PARABLE  IS  GROSSLY  MISUNDERSTOOD;  IT  DOES  MEAN  WHAT  IT  SAYS; BUT  FEW  LET  IT  INTERPRET  ITSELF;  OR  LET  THE  BIBLE  INTERPRET  THE  PARABLE;  THE  TRUTH  OF  IT  IS  NOT  THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt

225 In Lange on Genesis, p. 585.

226 Spirit of Hebrew Poetry, i. 179.

227 Alger, commenting on this expression, after citing the cases of Abraham and Isaac, of whom
language similar is used, adds: "These instances might be multiplied. They prove that to be
gathered unto one's fathers,' means to descend into sheol, and join there the hosts of the
departed."—Hist, of Doct. of Fut. Life, p. 152.

228 See Law in Deuteronomy, 18:10-12.



Alford interprets 1 Peter 4:6, of the souls of the antediluvians, shut up in hades, to whom Christ made the proclamation referred to in chapter 3:17-18. This interpretation assumes the possession of knowledge by disembodied spirits.


ALFORD  LIKE  MANY  OTHERS,  IS  WAY  OUT,  FROM  PLANET  PLUTO,  ON  UNDERSTANDING  THESE  VERSES  CORRECTLY.  IF  MANKIND  DOES  HAVE  AN  IMMORTAL  SOUL  THAT  CONTINUES  ON  THINKING,  REASONING,  TALKING,  WALKING,  SEEING,  AFTER  DEATH,  THEN  A  HELL-FIRE  DOES  AWAIT  THE  SINNER,  WHO  IS  IN  ANGUISH  AND  TORMENT  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY.  A  TEACHING  THAT  GIVES  THE  ATHEISTS  ALL  THEY  NEED  TO  LAUGH  AT  THE  BIBLE  -  Keith Hunt



Exercise no mental powers.


The dead praise not the Lord, neither

any that go down into silence.

Psalm 115:17


His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Psalm 146:4


Do exercise them.


Dead things are formed from under the

waters, and the inhabitants thereof.

Job 26:5


Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee. . . . All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us.

Isaiah 14:9-10


And behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias. Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Luke 9:30-31


For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Luke 20:38



The first passage is a voice from out the twilight of the Old Dispensation. Life and immortality not having been fully revealed as yet, the author spoke according to his degree of knowledge and illumination.


NOPE!  HE  SPOKE  AS INSPIRED  BY  GOD.  THIS  WAS  NOT  HIS  WRONG  IDEAS  AT  ALL,  IT  WAS  THE  FACT  OF  TRUE  THEOLOGY  AS  THE  OLD  TESTAMENT  WRITERS  KNEW  VERY  WELL;  AND  THE  NEW  TESTAMENT  WRITERS  ALSO.  THE  FIRST  PASSAGE  IS  TALKING  ABOUT  THE  "DEAD"  PERIOD,  NOT  A  CERTAIN  PART  OF  THE  DEAD,  BUT  JUST  "THE  DEAD"  THE  SECOND  VERSE;  YES  THE  PREVIOUS  VERSE  DOES  TALK  ABOUT  "PRINCES"  AND  "SONS  OF  MEN"  -  BUT  THAT  DOES  NOT  MEAN  THEY  ARE  THOUGHTS  OF  WICKEDNESS,  THERE  MAYBE  NO  HELP  FROM  THEM  IN  SPIRITUALITY  AND  SALVATION,  BUT  THAT  DOES  NOT  MEAN  THEIR  THOUGHTS  ARE  ALL  WICKEDNESS  -  Keith Hunt


In the second text, the "thoughts that perish" are the wicked man's plans and purposes which come to naught at his decease. Hengstenberg: "The thoughts which go to the grave with the dying man are his vain projects." 229


DOES  NOT  SAY  ANYTHING  ABOUT  THEM  BEING  THE  THOUGHTS  OF  THE  WICKED,  OR  OF  "VAIN  PROJECTS."  


In the case of the rich fool, 230 his "thoughts" of building larger barns, and of many years of ease and prosperity—all his selfish and worldly schemes—"perished" in that same night.

Delitzsch renders Job 26:5, thus: "The shades are put to pain, deep under the waters and their inhabitants." With this rendering Barnes, Conant, and Noyes substantially agree.

Isaiah 14:9 is rendered by Delitzsch, "The kingdom of the dead below is all in uproar on account of thee, to meet thy coming; it stirreth up the shades for thee." Similarly Henderson, Noyes, and other critics. Now the Hebrew term "rephaim," rendered "dead" in our version of the last two texts, means according

229 In Isaiah 55:7, "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts," the
term "thoughts" is used in a similar bad sense. According to literalistic principles, this pas
sage amounts to an exhortation to stop thinking!

230 See Luke 12:16-20.


to the best Hebraists, not simply the dead, but "that part of man which survives death." 231


THE  STIRRING  UP  THE  DEAD  AT  THEY  COMING,  IS  THE  TRUTH  OF  RESURRECTIONS,  IN  THE  CONTEXT  OF  THE  GLORIOUS  COMING  AND  REIGN  FOR  1,000  YEARS  OF  CHRIST  ON  EARTH.  AS  JESUS  SAID  THE  DAY  IS  COMING  THAT  ALL  IN  THE  GRAVES  SHALL  HEAR  HIS  VOICE,  ADN  ALL  WILL  COME  FORTH [JOHN 5].   -  Keith Hunt


As to the first text from Luke, all that need be said is this; Moses had been dead nearly fifteen centuries. But the disciples now see and recognize him, and hear him speak. It does not, therefore, seem probable that Moses became extinct at death, but that his soul survived and continued to exercise its faculties. Otherwise, it would seem that his identity must have been lost at death; and that for him—the original self-same Moses—there could be no after-life.


THE  ANSWER  IS  FOUND  IN  MATTHEW'S  ACCOUNT  OF  THE  TRANSFIGURATION….. "TELL  THE  VISION"  JESUS  SAID,  TO  NO  MAN.  IT  WAS  ALL  A  VISION  -  IN  THE  MIND'S  EYE.  IT  WAS  NOT  REALITY.  MOSES  AND  ELIJAH  WERE  NOT  THERE  IN  REAL  TIME  REALITY.  IT  WAS  A  VISION!  OH  THE  SILLINESS  OF  MEN  WHO  WILL  NOT  READ  ALL  ACCOUNTS;  THEN  IN  NOT  DOING  THEY  ARE  DECEIVED  INTO  A  FALSE  DOCTRINE  -  Keith Hunt


Luke 20:38; He is not a God of extinct or non-existent beings, therefore Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still living. The soul then survives the body, and a resurrection is possible. 232 As Lavater and Stier well say, the passage is a "weighty testimony against the 'sleep of the soul' in the intermediate state." The preceding passages clearly presuppose the conscious activity of departed souls.


ONCE  MORE  THE  MISTAKE  IS  MADE  OF  NOT  READING  THE  CONTEXT!  GOING  BACK  TO  VERSE  34  OR  VERSE  27,  WE  SEE  THE  CONTEXT.  IT  IS  TO  DO  WITH  THE  WORLD  TO  COME,  AND  THE  RESURRECTION  -  SEE  VERSE  33.  JESUS  GOES  ON  TO  TALK  ABOUT  "THAT  WORLD"  AND  "THE  RESURRECTION  FROM  THE  DEAD" [VERSE 35].  GOD  IS  NOT  THE  GOD  OF  THE  DEAD  -  ONLY  ABLE  TO  BE  THEIR  GOD  UP  TO  PHYSICAL  DEATH,  BUT  HE  IS  A  GOD  OF  THE  LIVING,  FOR  THOSE  WHO  DIED  WILL  LIVE  AGAIN;  THEY  WILL  BE  GOD'S  CHILDREN,  FOR  THEY  WILL  BE  THE  CHILDREN  OF  THE  RESURRECTION [VERSE  36].  THIS  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  "LIVING  ON"  AFTER  DEATH;  IT  HAS  EVERYTHING  TO  DO  WITH  THE  CONTEXT  OF  MARRIAGE  AND  THE  RESURRECTION.  GOD  IS  A  GOD  OF  THE  LIVING  FOR  ALL  LIVE  IN  HIM.  BACK  TO  JOHN  5  -  ALL  EVENTUALLY  IN  THE  GRAVES  WILL  HEAR  THE  VOICE  OF  CHRIST  AND  WILL  LIVE  AGAIN  -  Keith Hunt



In darkness and silence.


There the prisoners rest together; they

hear not the voice of the oppressor.

Job 3:18


Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death.

Job 10:21


Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

Psalm 88:11-12



In glory and blessedness.


Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel,

and afterward receive me to glory.

      Psalm 73:24


The path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto

the perfect day.

Proverbs 4:18


Whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:6


For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Philippians 1:21



Of Job's authority as a religious teacher we have previously spoken. 


BACK  TO  JOB  BEING  UN-INSPIRED,  JUST  A  MAN  WITH  HIS  OWN  THOUGHTS,  WHICH  TO  MANY  MEAN  UNINSPIRED  AND  NOT  TO  BE  TAKEN  SERIOUSLY  -  A  EASY  COP-OUT  -  Keith Hunt


As to the language cited from the eighty-eighth Psalm, it is Oriental poetry, therefore hyperbolical and intensely figurative. To interpret it literally, is to do it the utmost possible violence. For example, in the fifth verse it is said of the "slain" that God remembers them no more; in the sixth verse, the Psalmist represents, himself as "in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps." Upon these latter words

131 Professor Conant, in Smith's Bib. Diet., Article "Dead," says the term means "disembodied spirits separated from the body at death, and continuing to live in a separate existence." Fuerst: "A shadow, shadowy being." He adds that, in the two passages just referred to, these shades are represented as stirred up out of their rest, and as feeling the administrative agency of God. Gesenius: "The shades, manes, dwelling in hades, whom the Hebrews supposed to be destitute of blood and animal life, but yet not wholly without some faculties of mind." See, also, Boettcher, "De Inferis," pp. 94-100.

232 Consult Alford's significant, but concise, comment on this text.


Hengstenberg says, "the grave of deep places, in verse 6, is sheol deep in the earth, and 'the dark places' are the dark places of sheol." But was the Psalmist already in sheol, the underworld? This would be the absurd conclusion to which a rigid literalism would lead.


OF  COURSE  HE  WAS  NOT  YET  IN  SHEOL,  BUT  HE  KNEW  ABOUT  WHAT  SHEOL  WAS  AND  CONTAINED…… WHEN  HE  GOT  THERE….. WHEN  HE  GOT  TO  THE  GRAVE….. THERE  IS  FOR  THAT  PERSON  NONE  OF  GOD'S  LOVING-KINDNESS,  FAITHFULNESS,  WONDERS,  OR  RIGHTEOUSNESS.  THERE  IS  DESTRUCTION  OF  THE  PHYSICAL  PERSON,  THERE  IS  DARKNESS,  THERE  IS  FORGETFULNESS …..  YOU  DO  NOT  CONTINUE  TO  THINK,  TALK,  SPEAK,  REMEMBER,  WALK  AROUND,  PLUCK  ON  A  HARP,  OR  STARE  AT  THE  FACE  OF  JESUS  IN  GLIRIOUS  BRIGHTNESS  -  Keith Hunt


On the theory that the dead are unconscious, in darkness and silence, the "path of the just" instead of growing brighter "unto the perfect day," is disrupted at death by a fearful chasm of black nonexistence. In place of a continuous shining track of light, we see a yawning abyss of unfathomable gloom. 


NO  YOU  DO  NOT  SEE  "GLOOM"  AS  RECOGNIZING  IT.  YOU  SEE  NOTHING.  AS  WHEN  YOU  GO  TO  SLEEP  AT  NIGHT;  YOU  SEE,  HEAR,  SMELL,  TALK,  THINK,  NOTHING.  SURE  SOMETIMES  WE  HAVE  DREAMS,  BUT  OFTEN  WE  DO  NOT.  LAST  NIGHTS  SLEEP  FOR  ME  WAS  NO  DREAMING,  NO  LIGHT,  NO  SPEAKING,  NO  THINKING,  NO  PRAISING  GOD,  NO  WALKING  ABOUT,  NO  HEARING.  I  FELT  NO  UNFATHOMABLE  GLOOM  -  IT  PEACE  AND  RESTFULNESS,  AND  ONLY  AS  IF  A  SECOND  TO  WHEN  I  WAS  AWAKE  -  Keith Hunt


Nor would Paul lying unconscious in the grave be "present with the Lord" more truly than when he was living in the love, service, and fellowship of Christ. Nor does it appear that it would be "gain" for Paul to "die"—to relinquish his loving, tireless, and blessed labor for the Master, and go into unconscious hibernation or blank nonentity, in the cold sepulchre. A glowing heart like Paul's would hardly count a dormant state, like that of "The Seven Sleepers," to be "gain."

In this connection, we give the views of the Hebrews, particularly those of later and more enlightened times.


THE  VERSES  FROM  PAUL,  THE  PSALMS  AND  PROVERBS,  SHOW  WHAT  IS  TO  BE  AFTER  DEATH;  WHAT  IS  TO  BE  FOR  THE  SAINTS  OF  GOD.  AND  SO  DEATH  IS  GAIN;  WE  ARE  FREE  FROM  THE  CARES  AND  CONCERNS  OF  THIS  LIFE;  FREE  FROM  THE  TROUBLES,  TRIALS  OF  LIFE;  FREE  FROM  ANY  PHYSICAL  PAINS  OF  LIFE;  FREE  FROM  ANY  METAL  ANGUISHES  OF  LIFE.  AND  GLORY  AND  LIGHT  DOES  AWAIT  US.  THE  QUESTION  IS  WHEN  DOES  THE  SAINT  GET  ALL  THIS,  AND  GET  TO  BE  WITH  CHRIST?  THE  WHOLE  AND  EVERY  VERSE  ON  THIS  TOPIC  MUST  BE  SORT  FOR  AND  FOUND  BEFORE  WE  HAVE  THE  ANSWER.  THE  ANSWER  IS  PROVED  ON  MANY  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE.  THERE  IS  NO  RECOGNITION  OF  TIME  WHEN  SLEEPING.  THE  SAINT  RECEIVES  GLORY,  LIGHT,  PERFECTNESS,  AND  ARE  WITH  CHRIST,  WHEN  HE  CALLS.  WE  SHALL  COME  FORTH  TO  LIFE  AND  GLORY  AT  THE  RESURRECTION,  OR  BE  INSTANTLY  CHANGED  FROM  MORTAL  TO  IMMORTALITY,  AT  THE  LAST  TRUMP,  AT  THE  COMING  OF  JESUS.  MANY  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  PROVE  THIS  TO  BE  THE  TRUE ANSWER  TO  DEATH  AND  THE  RESURRECTION.  THE  READER  IS  ENCOURAGED  TO  STUDY  THOSE  STUDIES  -  Keith Hunt



Lightfoot: 233 "It was universally believed amongst the Jews, that pure and holy souls when they left this body went into happiness, to Abraham."


WHAT  THE  JEWS  BELIEVE  IS  NOTHING.  IT  IS  WHAT  THE  BIBLE  TEACHES  THAT  IS  CORRECT.  AND  CONCERNING  JEWS…… THERE  IS  A  STANDING  JOKE  EVEN  AMONG  JEWS  THEMSELVES;  "ASK  THREE  A  JEWS  A  QUESTION  AND  YOU'LL  GET  THREE  DIFFERENT  ANSWERS."  -  Keith Hunt


Dr. Jahn: 234 In sheol "the departed spirits rejoice in that rest so much desired by the Orientals; and there the living hope to see once more their beloved ancestors and children."


WHAT  MAN  HAS  TO  SAY  ALSO  MEANS  NOTHING;  IT  IS  WHAT  THE  BIBLE  TEACHES  THAT  IS  CORRECT  AND  THAT  IS  THE  TRUTH  OF  THE  MATTER  -  Keith Hunt


Not with Christ.


Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come, so now I say to you.

John 13:33


For David is not ascended into the heavens.

Acts 2:34



The righteous with him. 


And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luke 23:43


Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Acts 7:59


We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8


For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better.

Philippians 1:23

233 Hor. Hebraicae, iii. 171 (Gandell's edition).

234 Bib. Archaeol., Sec. 314.



The first text alludes to the time subsequent to Christ's ascension. Then he was no longer visibly and personally with them; whither he had gone they could not then go. Their earthly mission must first be accomplished.


David had not been raised from the dead, and his body and soul reunited. He had not yet ascended to heaven, and entered upon his full reward, but was in the intermediate state, tranquilly awaiting the resurrection.


SOUNDS  LIKE  THIS  "INTERMEDIATE  STATE"  IS  A  ROMAN  CATHOLIC  TEACHING,  A  KINDA  PURGATORY  BUT  A  PROTESTANT  ONE,  IN  WHATEVER  FORM  THEY  MEAN  BY  IT.  THE  VERSE  DOES  NOT  SAY  DAVID'S  BODY  AND  SOUL  WAS  NOT  YET  RE-UNITED,  OR  GOT  HIS  FULL  REWARD  -  ALL  THAT  IS  READ  INTO  IT,  MADE  UP,  BY  HUMAN  MINDS.  THE  VERSE  SAYS  "DAVID"  THE  MAN,  THE  WHOLE  MAN,  WAS  NOT  ASCENDED  INTO  HEAVEN.  SURE  HIS  "SPIRIT"  WAS  BACK  WITH  GOD  WHO  GAVE  IT  [ECC. 12:9];  BUT  AS  BEFORE  STATED,  THE  SPIRIT  IN  MAN  DOES  NOT  CONTINUE  TO  WALK,  TALK,  SEE,  HEAR,  SPEAK,  PRAISE  GOD,  AFTER  DEATH.  IT  IS  THE  CD  OF  THE  CHARACTER  OF  THE  CHRISTIAN  PERSON,  LESS  ALL  SINS [WASHED  AWAY  BY  THE  BLOOD  OF  CHRIST  AND  HIS  PRIESTLY  WORK  NOW  IN  HEAVEN  FOR  US].  DAVID  THE  FULL  PERSON  IS  WAITING  THE  RESURRECTION  WHEN  IMMORTAL  LIFE  WILL  BE  HIS.  AS  JESUS  SAID,  NO  MAN  HAS  ASCENDED  INTO  HEAVEN  BUT  HE  THAT  CAME  DOWN  FROM  HEAVEN [HIMSELF]  -  Keith Hunt


The opposed texts show that the righteous are at death, in a certain sense with Christ, present with the Lord, in "disembodied and imperfect bliss" which is a foretaste of complete felicity to be awarded them at the last day.


ALL  WRONG!  ALL  VERSES  ANSWERED  IN  FULL  IN  OTHER  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt



Together in one place. 


The Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me.

1 Samuel 28:19


All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiates 3:20


In different places.

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And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.. . . And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed.

Luke 16:23, 26


Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Acts 1:25



The first two passages teach that the good and bad, at their departure from this life, go alike into the intermediate state, but do not assert that their condition there is the same.


"INTERMEDIATE  STATE" ???  A  MAN  MADE  IDEA.  THE  BIBLE  SPEAKS  OF  NO  SUCH  PLACE.  THE  BIBLE  SPEAKS  OF  DEATH  AND  THE  RESURRECTION  -  JUST  THAT  SIMPLE.  DEATH  HAS  A  TRUTH  TO  IT  -  WHAT  IT  IS;  RESURRECTION  AS  A  TRUTH  TO  IT  -  WHAT  IT  IS.  ALL  VERSES  PRESENTED  ARE  EXPLAINED  IN  OTHER  STUDIES  AS  TO  THE  WHOLE  TRUTH  OF  THIS  SUBJECT  OF  DEATH  AND  RESURRECTION  -  Keith Hunt


In Luke 16 we see the rich man and Lazarus both in the intermediate state, but one in misery, the other in happiness. In a certain sense, both went "to one place"; in another sense, they went to very different places.


NOPE!  VERY  WRONG  IDEAS  ON  THIS  PARABLE  FROM  CATHOLICS  AND  PROTESTANTS.  THE  PARABLE  MEANS  WHAT  IT  SAYS  AND  SAYS  WHAT  IT  MEANS;  BUT  MOST  JUST  CANNOT  UNDERSTAND  IT  CORRECTLY  -  I  GIVE  YOU  THE  TRUTH  IN  A  STUDY  OF  IT  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt


Acts 1:25, teaches that Judas went to "his own place," to the punishment ippropriate to his conduct. Such is the view of Olshausen, DeWette, Livermore, Barnes, Hackett, Meyer, Alford, and other commentators.


In the dust and the grave.


And many of them that sleep in the

dust of the earth shall awake.

Daniel 12:2


All that are in the graves shall hear his voice.

John 5:28


Saints, with God.


We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8


Them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thessalonians 4:14



The quotation from Daniel refers to man in his physical organism and relations. As to his material, bodily form, in which he is cognizable by our senses, he "sleeps in the dust," at death.


SLEEP  IN  THE  DUST  IS  AS  JESUS  SAID  ABOUT  LAZARUS…. HE  SLEEPS…. WHICH  HIS  DISCIPLES  FINALLY  REALIZED  HE  MEANT  DEATH.  HUMAN  DEATH  IS  SLEEP  -  AGAIN  JUST  THAT  SIMPLE  -  A  SLEEP  LIKE  I  HAD  LAST  NIGHT, NO  THOUGHTS,  NO  DREAMS,  NO  TALKING,  NO  HEARING,  NO  WALKING,  NO  THINKING,  NO  SEEING  -  Keith Hunt


The literalistic exposition of the text from John leads to the conclusion that the unvaried dead are not to be raised. If the phraseology "all that are in the graves" is to be rigidly pressed, then it is a legitimate inference that those who sleep beneath the waves of ocean, those who were devoured by wild beasts, those who were burned at the stake, as not being "in the graves," will not "hear his voice and come forth."

Doubtless the expression is equivalent simply to "all the dead." 


YES  IN  THIS  I  AGREE….. SIMPLY  "ALL  IN  THE  GRACES"  MEANS  "ALL  THE  DEAD"  -  Keith Hunt


The last two texts imply that the souls of departed saints are with God, not necessarily in the highest rewards of heaven, but "in the bosom of Abraham," in paradise, joyfully awaiting those rewards.


VERY  BAD  THEOLOGY  UNDERSTANDING  OF  THE  LAST  VERSES   WHEN  ALL  VERSES  ON  THE  SUBJECT  ARE  TAKEN  INTO  ACCOUNT.  THE  LAST  VERSES  GIVEN  I  COVER  IN  VARIOUS  STUDIES  CONCERNING  DEATH  -  Keith Hunt


Resurrection


Dead to be raised.


Thy dead men shall live, together with

my dead body shall they arise.

Isaiah 26:19


Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush.

Luke 20:37


For since by man came death, by man came   also   the   resurrection   of  the dead... . The trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. 

                               

                                                                             1 Corinthians 15:21, 52


Not to be raised.


He that goeth down to the grave shall

come up no more.

Job 7:9


Man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

Job 14:12


They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise.

Isaiah 26:14


They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.            

                                                                                               Amos 8:14



The quotations from Job express the opinion, or perhaps, the temporary doubts, of a good, but uninspired, man. They cannot counterbalance the express statements of inspiration.


HERE  WE  ARE  AGAIN  BACK  TO  JOB  BE  UN-INSPIRED,  A  COPE-OUT  ARGUMENT.  THE  ONE  VERSE  JOB  IS  SPEAKING  IN  THE  GENERAL  STATEMENT  THAT  MAN  GOING  TO  THE  GRAVE  CANNOT  RAISE  HIMSELF;  AS  FAR  AS  HUMAN  ABILITY  GOES  MAN  HAS  NO  POWER  OVER  DEATH,  ONCE  HE  HAS  ENTERED  DEATH.  THE  SECOND  THOUGHT  OF  JOB  IS  AS  UNDER  GOD'S  HANDS;  MAN  WILL  BE  RAISED  OUT  OF  THEIR  SLEEP,  WILL  RISE  AGAIN….. WHEN  THE  HEAVENS  BE  NO  MORE  -  THE  END  OF  THIS  AGE  WHEN  THE  HEAVENS  WILL  SHAKE  AND  JESUS  WILL  RETURN  AT  THE  LAST  TRUMPT  SOUND.  JOB  KNEW  WHAT  PAUL  KNEW.  ALL  WERE  INSPIRED  -  Keith Hunt


Isaiah asserts that certain foreign powers, the Assyrians, Babylonians, etc., who had oppressed the Israelites, were deceased and should not "rise"; that is, to resume their former arbitrary sway. Not the resurrection of individuals, but the restoration of fallen despotisms, is denied.

The text from Amos has no reference to the future world. It predicts simply the irretrievable overthrow of certain idolaters, in this world.


YES  I  AGREE !  Keith Hunt




Universal resurrection.


The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth.

John 5:28-29


A partial one.


And many of them that sleep in the

dust of the earth shall awake.

Daniel 12:2



According to Fuerst, the word translated "many" means likewise crowds or

masses.

Calvin: "The word many seems here clearly put for all." Stuart regards it as "equivalent to our word multitudes." Barnes: "There would be a vast or general resurrection from the dead; so much so that the mind would be interested mainly in the contemplation of the great hosts who would thus come forth."


THE  CONTEXT  IS  TO  DO  WITH  THE  VERY  END  TIMES;  THE  GREATEST  TRIBULATION  THE  WORLD  HAS  EVER  SEEN. AND  THE  RESURRECTION  OF  THAT  TIME,  PLUS  THE  RESURRECTION  OF  THE  SECOND  RESURRECTION  OF  REVELATION  20.  AS  DANIEL  TALKS  ABOUT  THE  RESURRECTION  OF  THE  COMING  OF  THE  LORD,  THE  END  OF  THIS  AGE,  AT  THE  GREATEST  TIME  OF  TROUBLE  THE  WORLD  HAS  EVER  KNOWN,  HE  ALSO  ADDS  IN  THE  RESURRECTION  TO  SHAME  AND  EVERLASTING  CONTEMPT  -  THE  RESURRECTION   TO  THE  SECOND  DEATH  IN  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE  [REV. 20]  -  Keith Hunt



Jesus raised first.


That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead.

Acts 26:23


Now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

                                                                 1 Corinthians 15:20



Others raised previously.


And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

                                                               1 Kings 17:22


And they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.


                                                             2 Kings 13:21


And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him to his mother.

Luke 7:15



Romans 6:9 furnishes the solution of the difficulty. Jesus was the first who rose from the dead to die no more. All others who were raised, passed a second time through the gates of death. Over him, death "hath no more dominion." Hence, he is the "first-begotten of the dead," the first who was raised to immortal life.


YES  I  AGREE  -  Keith Hunt


Final Judgment


Ascribed to God.


Shall not the Judge of all the earth do

right?

Genesis 18:25


The heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself.

Psalm 1:6



To Christ.


For the Father judgeth no man, but

hath committed all judgment unto the

Son.

John 5:22


We shall all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ.

Romans 14:10

God will judge the world by Jesus Christ.235

235 Acts 17:31; Romans 2:16.



Disclaimed by Him.


Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no

man.

                                                                     John 8:15 


And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

John 12:47

Attributed to Christ.


When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.

                                                                 Matthew 25:31-32 


And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world; that they which see not might see; and that they which see, might be made blind.


                                                    John 9:39 


For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ.


 2 Corinthians 5:10



These two classes of texts refer, the one to the second, the other to the first advent of our Lord. At his first coming, his object was to present himself, not as the Judge, but as the Savior, of men; not to condemn but to save them. When he comes the second time, it will be "in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel." 236

Yet the "judging of the world," involving the condemnation of the guilty, was not the ultimate object of Christ's mission, but rather a subordinate and incidental result of that mission.



Administered by God. 


God the Judge of all.


Hebrews 12:23 


And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12

By men also.


Ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Matthew 19:28 


That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Luke 22:30 


But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


1 Corinthians 2:15 


Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

1 Corinthians 6:2-3

236 2 Thessalonians 1:8.



Barnes takes Matthew 19:28, as implying not so much an actual exercise of the power of passing judgment, as the honor attached to the office. The apostles should, at the last day, be relatively honored as judges are.

In 1 Corinthians 2:15, the Greek word employed is the same which in the preceding verse is translated "discerned." It has no reference to the final judgment, but denotes spiritual insight and discrimination in the present life.

As to the last citation, it may be taken simply as asserting that the saints, by their example, would "judge," i.e. condemn, sinful men and angels. This interpretation is corroborated by Matthew 12:41-42, which asserts that the Ninevites and the queen of Sheba should rise up in the judgment with that generation and "condemn" it; that is, by their example.

Chrysostom: "The saints shall judge the world by their exemplary judgment, because by their example the perfidiousness of the world shall be condemned."

Whately:237 "Not that he meant, or was ever understood to mean, that these persons would themselves take a share in the final judgment; but that their conduct would be a condemnation of the unbelieving generation, who rejected one greater than Jonas, and than Solomon." In another paragraph, the same writer strongly supports this explanation, and continues: "Any one who takes the right course, by so doing, condemns—in the New Testament language, 'judges'—those who, with equal opportunities, choose the wrong. This was the case with the Corinthian Christians (or saints); who, by embracing the gospel, judged (in this sense) their unbelieving neighbors, to whom it had been proposed, and who rejected it."

This interpretation relieves the saints of actual participation in the work of judging mankind.

Even if, with Alford and many critics, we feel constrained by the tenor of the passage, to admit this actual participation, still, since the power which the saints exercise is all derived from God, the work of judgment may properly be attributed wholly to him.

237 Future State, pp. 133-138.



Future Punishment—Its Nature


Continued misery.


So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire. 


                                                                                     Matthew 13:49-50


And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites.

Matthew 24:51


And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:30


The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night.


                                                                 Revelation 14:10-11



End of consciousness.


For, lo, thine enemies O Lord, for, lo,

thine enemies shall perish.

Psalm 92:9


And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness.

Psalm 94:23


All the wicked will he destroy.

Psalm 145:20


They that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.

Isaiah 1:28


The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20


Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.

                                                                  2 Thessalonians 1:9


The day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:7



According to the received view, the texts, at the right, while implying ruin, irremediable overthrow, do not mean annihilation or extinction. Mortal-soulists, or "annihilationists" as they are commonly designated, interpret these texts, on the contrary, with a bald and rigid literalism, inferring from them the actual annihilation of the wicked. Mr. Hudson, 238 the ablest author of this class, observes: "The literal sense of the terms in question is manifestly the true one in most instances." Blain asserts that "death" is "extinction of being, soul and body."

Dr. Ives 239 says that death is "the cessation of existence," the first death being a temporary, the second a final cessation. These definitions are founded upon a literalistic, though not self-consistent, exegesis of scripture.

To show the irrelevancy and unsoundness of the arguments employed by writers of this class, the following examples of scripture usage are introduced. The reader will see, at a glance, to what absurdities literalistic interpretation, if consistently carried out, would lead its advocates.



The wicked perish.


So  let  all thine  enemies  perish,  O

Lord.

Judges 5:31


But the wicked shall perish.

                                                                                             Psalm 37:20


He that speaketh lies shall perish

                                                                                            Proverbs19:9


The righteous perish.


There is a just man that perisheth in his

righteousness.

Ecclesiastes 7:15


The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart.

Isaiah 57:1

The good man is perished out of the earth.

Micah 7:2


238 Debt and Grace, p. 182.

239 Bible Doctrine of the Soul, p. 42.



In all these cases, the same Hebrew term, "abadh," is used.

Now, if this term, in the first series of texts, necessarily implies that the wicked are to be annihilated, it is clear that, in the second, it implies, for the same reasons and with the same force, the annihilation of the righteous. Such is the logical conclusion to which literalism conducts us.


NO  NOT  AT  ALL.  THE  WRITER  ASSUMES  THAT  THE  HEBREW [COULD  BE  GREEK]  MEANS  THE  SAME  IN  ALL  CONTEXTS.  THE  INSPIRED  WRITERS  THOUGHT  NO  SUCH  IDEA.  SO  THE  FIRST  VERSES  SHOW  UN-REPENTED  SINNERS [WHATEVER  THE  SIN - LIES  OR  ETC.]  SHALL  PERISH.  THE  SEARCHER  FOR  TRUTH  MUST  ASCERTAIN  FROM  ALL  THE  BILE  WHAT  "PERISH"  FOR  SINNERS  MEANS.  THE  SEARCHER  FOR  TRUTH  HAS  TO  FIND  IF  THE  BIBLE  TEACHES  A  PERSON  HAS  SOMETHING  OR  A  PERSON  WITHIN  A  HUMAN  PERSON  THAT  IS  "IMMORTAL"  AND  GOES  ON  LIVING,  THINKING,  SEEING,  SPEAKING,  TALKING,  WALKING,  ETC.  AFTER  PHYSICAL  DEATH.  IF  NOT  THEN  "PERISH"  MEANS  FOR  SINNERS  COMPLETE  REMOVAL  OF  LIFE  IN  THE  SECOND  DEATH.  IF  THEY  HAVE  AN  IMMORTAL  PERSON  INSIDE  OF  A  MORTAL  PERSON,  THEN  THE  HELL-FIRE  TORMENT  IS  THE  SINNERS  FATE,  AS  TAUGHT  BY  POPULAR  CHRISTIANITY.

FOR  THE  RIGHTEOUS  PERISHING.  LAST  VERSES  GIVEN.  THE  CONTEXT  FOR  "PERISH"  DOES  NOT  MEAN  THE  END  RESULT,  AS  IT  DID  FOR  SINNERS.  IT  CANNOT  MEAN  END  RESULT,  FOR  THE  RIGHTEOUS  CHRISTIAN  DOES  NOT  HAVE  AN  END  OF  LIFE  IN  THE  FINAL  RESULT,  FOR  THEY  LIVE  FOREVER.  SO  IT'S  IMPOSSIBLE  FOR  THE  RIGHTEOUS  SAINT  OF  GOD  TO  PERISH  IN  ETERNAL  DEATH  WITH  NO  LIFE  WHATSOEVER.  HENCE  THE  LOGICAL  COMMON  SENSE  UNDERSTANDING  IS:  THE  RIGHTEOUS  SAINT  OF  GOD  DIES  OR  PHYSICALLY  PERISHES  WHILE  LIVING  RIGHTEOUSLY,  SOMETIMES  YOUNG;  THEY  DIE  OR  PHYSICALLY  PERISH  WHILE  THOSE  AROUND  THEM  COULD  CARE  LESS;  THEY  DIE  OR  PHYSICALLY  PERISH  FROM  THE  EARTH.  THE  RIGHTEOUS  SAINT  OF  GOD  IS  NOT  AMMUNE  TO  PHYSICALLY  PERISHING  FROM  OFF  THE  EARTH  -  Keith Hunt



Sinners annihilated.


Likewise the fool and the brutish person perish.

Psalm 49:10 (ll)240

For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish.

Psalm 73:27

A false witness shall perish.

Proverbs 21:28



Annihilated objects, existing. 


And with all lost things of thy brother's, which he hath lost, and thou hast found, shalt thou do likewise.

Deuteronomy 22:3


And the asses of Kish Saul's father were lost. . . . And as for thine asses that were lost three days ago, set not thy mind on them: for they are found. 


                                                                                     1 Samuel 9:3, 20



Here the same word "abadh" rendered "perish" in the first series, is translated "lost" in the second series. If now in the one case it implies the extinction of sinners, in the other it implies the extinction of the "lost things" and of Kish's asses. It would seem that the process of annihilation, in the latter cases, could hardly have been fatal to the existence of the objects mentioned, for they are afterwards "found."


ONCE  MORE  THE  WRITER  MAKES  THE  MISTAKE  OF  THINKING  ALL  HEBREW  WORDS  MUST  MEAN  THE  SAME  THING  IN  EVER  CONTEXT.  JUST  NOT  TRUE  AT  ALL.  WE  HAVE  THE  ENGLISH  WORD  "PRESENT"  -  IN  ONE  CONTEXT  I  GIVE  YOU  A  PRESENT;  IN  ANOTHER  CONTEXT  I  AM  PRESENT  WITH  YOU  FOR  DINNER  AT  A  RESTAURANT.  A  SINNER  CAN  "PERISH"  IN  THIS  LIFE  LIKE  A  RIGHTEOUS  PERSON  CAN  -  THEY  DIE.  BUT  ALSO  A  SINNER  CAN  PERISH  IN  THE  SECOND  DEATH,  AND  HAVE  NO  LIFE  AT  ALL.  CERTAIN  OBJECTS,  THINGS,  ANIMALS,  CAN  "PERISH"  -  "BE  LOST"  IN  ANOTHER  CONTEXT  OF  "BEING  LOST."  WHICH  CONTEXT  SHOWS  THE  HEBREW  WORD  USED,  IS  BEING  USED  TO  MEAN  "LOST"  NOT  DEAD,  OR  PERISHING  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY  WITH  NO  LIFE.  SO  WORDS  [the  same  word] CAN  BE  USED  DIFFERENTLY  WITHIN  DIFFERENT  CONTEXTS  -  Keith Hunt




Wicked cut off


For evildoers shall be cut off.... When

the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see

Psalm 37:9, 34

The Messiah cut off.


And after threescore and two weeks

shall Messiah be cut off, but not for

himself.

Daniel 9:26



In these three cases, "karath," is rendered "cut off." If the first texts teach the annihilation of the wicked, the last implies equally strongly that the Messiah  was annihilated!


AGAIN,  CONTEXT  PLEASE,  CONTEXT.  IT  ALL  JUST  PROVES  WORDS  HAVE  A  CONTEXT.  THE  SAME  WORD  DOES  NOT  MEAN  THE  SAME  THING  IN  ALL  CONTEXTS,  JUST  AS  OUR  ENGLISH  WORD  "PRESENT"  DOES  NOT.  EVIL  DOERS  CAN  BE  CUT  OFF  -  DIE  -  IN  THIS  LIFETIME  AS  RIGHTEOUS  PEOPLE  CAN  BE,  IN  PHYSICAL  DEATH.  WHAT  HAPPENS  TO  THE  UN-REPENTED  SINNER/EVIL-DOER  IN  THE  END  AS  BEING  "CUT-OFF"  IS  TO  FIND  OUT  FROM  THE  REST  OF  THE  BIBLE,  A  DIFFERENT  CONTEXT  AND  A  DIFFERENT  SEARCH  OF  ANOTHER  TRUTH.  THE  MESSIAH  WAS  "CUT-OFF"  -  DIED  IN  PHYSICAL  DEATH;  THAT   IS  THE  CONTEXT  FOR  THE  WORD  IN  THIS  SITUATION,  AS  WE  KNOW  IT  CANNOT  POSSIBLY  BE  REFERRING  TO  END  OF  LIFE  PERIOD,  WITH  NO  LIFE  TO  FOLLOW,  AS  WE  KNOW  JESUS  IS  ALIVE  IN  HEAVEN  AT  THE  FATHER'S  RIGHT  HAND  -  Keith Hunt



Wicked destroyed.


Thou shaft destroy them that speak

leasing.

Psalm 5:6

All the wicked will he destroy.

Psalm 145:20

And he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13:9


Persons destroyed, yet alive.


He hath destroyed me on every side.

Job 19:10

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Hosea4:6

O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.

Hosea 13:9



If the Hebrew words, and their English equivalent "destroy," used in these cases, imply extinction or termination of conscious existence, we have, in the last citation, a people who, although they had been annihilated, were yet in a hopeful condition.

An odd kind of "annihilation" that must be, which is still susceptible of relief! The sense clearly is, "Thou hast brought great calamities upon thyself, but in me is thine help."


OH  THE  SILLY  AND  ILLOGICAL  THINKING  OF  MEN.  THIS  ALL  PROVES  THAT  "DESTROY"  DOES  NOT  MEAN  THE  SAME  IN  EVERY  CONTEXT.  THE  "DESTROY"  OF  THE  WICKED,  THE  SINNER,  HAS  TO  FIRST  BE  THE  CONTEXT…. THIS  LIFE,  OR  THE  END  RESULT  OF  THE SINNER;  PROVED  BY  THE  REST  OF  THE  BIBLE  ON  THE  SUBJECT.  THEN  IN  THE  LAST  VERSES  IT  IS  OBVIOUS  "DESTROY"  DOES  NOT  MEAN  THE  SAME  IN  THOSE  CONTEXT  VERSES,  BUT  HAS  TO  DO  WITH  TROUBLES  ON  EVERY  SIDE  FOR  PEOPLE  OR  PEOPLES,  IN  CERTAIN  SITUATIONS.  CONTEXT,  CONTEXT,  FOR  THE  USE  OF  WORDS  -  Keith Hunt 



Sinners destroyed.


But the transgressors shall be destroyed

together.

Psalm 37:38

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy.

1 Corinthians 3:17

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.

                                                                  2 Thessalonians 1:9



Inanimate objects destroyed.


And Pharaoh's servants said unto him,

. . . Knowest thou not yet that Egypt is

destroyed?

Exodus 10:7


Am I now come up without the Lord against this place to destroy it? The Lord said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.

2 Kings 18:25


Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed; . . . take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

Jeremiah 51:8


And shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:18



It need not be said that in these cases, the literalistic interpretation of the terms "destroy" and "destruction" would land us in the grossest exegetical absurdities.241


AGAIN  IT  IS  CONTEXT!!  OF  COURSE  THE  LATTER  VERSES  DID  NOT  MEAN  ANYTHING  TO  DO  WITH  ANY  FINAL  RESULT  IN  THE  CONTEXT  OF  ETERNITY.  BUT  SINNERS  BEING  DESTROYED  COULD  HAVE  TO  DO  WITH  END  RESULT.  SO  THE  SEARCHER  FOR  TRUTH  HAS  TO  SEARCH  THE  BIBLE  TO  FIND  WHAT  THE  END  RESULT  WILL  BE  FOR  SINNERS  THAT  WILL  FACE  DESTRUCTION.  PROVING  ONCE  MORE  WORDS  HAVE  A  CONTEXT  AND  A  MEANING  WITHIN  THAT  CONTEXT  -  Keith Hunt



Evil doers consumed.


Let the sinners be consumed out of the

earth.

Psalm 104:35


Things without life consumed. 


There shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall.

Ezekiel 13:13-14


CONTEXT  AGAIN  MUST  BE  USED  TO  SEE  HOW  A  WORD  IS  BEING  USED  WITHIN  THAT  CONTEXT  OF  WHERE  IT  IS  USED,  EITHER  WITH  PRESENT  PHYSICAL  WORLD  OR  ETERNAL USE. 


Keith Hunt


241 An example of similar kind is furnished by the literalistic exposition of Malachi 4:1-3. The prophet declares that the wicked shall be burned, and adds that they shall "be ashes" (not "as ashes"), under the feet of the righteous. The folly of taking such language literally need not be pointed out.


JUST  MINUTE  NOW,  WHAT  DO  YOU  DEFINE  AS  "ASHES"?  I  THINK  OF  ASHES  AS  ANYTHING  BURNED  UP.  MOST  THINGS  ARE  "WATER"  OUR  BODY  IS  THEY  SAY  70  PERCENT  WATER,  AND  SO  ON.  A  TREE  IS  EX  PERCENT  WATER,  AS  IS  A  DOG,  OR  HORSE.  WHEN  ANY  OF  THEM  ARE  FULLY  BURNT  UP,  BURNT  TO  A  CRISP  AS  WE  SAY,  I  DOUBT  YOU  CAN  TELL  THE  ASHES  LEFT,  AS  BEING  A  TREE,  OR  DOG,  OR  HORSE,  OR  HUMAN.  SO  THE  WICKED  WILL  ONE  DAY  BE  "ASHES"  FULLY  BURNT  TO  A  CRISP  -  Keith Hunt 



They that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.

Isaiah 1:28

And the scorner is consumed.

Isaiah 29:20


I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.

Ezekiel 35:12



Of course, a wall "consumed" by "hailstones," and mountains "consumed" by men, would hardly be understood as having ceased to exist.


AGAIN  JUST  PROVING  HOW  THE  CONTEXT  OF  A  WORD  IS  USED,  LIKE  OUR  ENGLISH  WORD  "PRESENT"  -  Keith Hunt



Wicked "was not."


Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not:

yea, I sought him, but he could not be

found.

Psalm 37:36

Enoch "was not. "


And Enoch walked with God: and he

was not; for God took him.

Genesis 5:24



The Hebrew for "was not," is exactly the same in these two cases. Now if the first passage teaches the extinction of the wicked, the second teaches that Enoch became extinct. Yet so far from this, we know that he was "translated that he should not see death."242


ONCE  MORE  CONTEXT  CONTEXT!  WORDS  MEAN  DIFFERENT  MEANINGS  WITHIN  A  CONTEXT  -  Keith Hunt



Wicked devoured.


And fire came down from God out of

heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 20:9

Pious devoured.


If a man bring you into bondage, if a

man devour you.

                                                                  2 Corinthians 11:20


But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Galatians 5:15



In these three instances, kindred words of equal intensity are employed. The inference is not difficult.


SURE  INTENSITY….. BUT  WHAT  KIND  OF  INTENSITY?  OBVIOUSLY  THE  INTENSITY  OF  REV. 20:9  WAS  DIFFERENT [physically  burnt  up]  THAN  THE  DEVOUR  OF  INTENSITY  OF  THE  OTHER  TWO  VERSES.  IT  IS  AGAIN  CONTEXT  PLEASE  -  Keith Hunt



God's adversaries devoured.


Judgment and fiery indignation, which

shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:27

Widows' houses devoured.


Beware of the scribes,. . . which devour

widows' houses.

Mark 12:38, 40



The reader will observe that the Greek verb of the first text occurs in the second in a strengthened form. 243 So that, if the first text teaches the annihilation of the wicked, the second teaches that "widows' houses" were doubly annihilated by the scribes.


THE  CONTEXT  FOR  THE  FIRST  IS  STRONG  ENOUGH  TO  KILL  PEOPLE,  BURN  THEM  UP.  THE  CONTEXT  FOR  THE  SECOND  IS  A  DOUBLE  DEVOUR  OF  THE  TERRIBLE  WAY  THE  SCRIBES  TREATED  SOME  PEOPLE.  IT  IS  NOT  A  DEVOUR  OF  FIRE  TO  THE  PHYSICAL  WHICH  BURNS  AND  THEN  ITS  OVER,  IN  A  MATTER  OF  A  FEW  MINUTES;  BUT  THE  HARSHER,  STRONGER  "DEVOUR"  THE  SCRIBES  USED,  WOULD  MENTALLY,  EMOTIONALLY,  TO  A  DEGREE  ALSO  PHYSICAL [EMOTIONS  CAN  CAUSE  PHYSICAL  PAIN],  GO  ON  FOR  A  MUCH  LONGER  TIME,  EVEN  YEARS  UPON  THE  PEOPLE  THEY  EFFECTED;  HENCE  WITHIN  A  CONTEXT  A  STRONGER  DEVOUR,  AS  THE  WORD  USED  WITHIN  A  CERTAIN  CONTEXT  -  Keith Hunt




Sinners devoured.


But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be

devoured with the sword.

Isaiah 1:20


Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured.

Jeremiah 30:16


A forest devoured persons. 


For the battle was there scattered over the face of all the country: and the wood devoured more people that day than the sword devoured.

2 Samuel 18:8

In all these passages, the same Hebrew verb "akal" is used. In the latter instance, literalism, it need not be remarked, would make nonsense of the narrative. Yet there is as much reason for a literal explication of the latter text as of the two former texts.

ALL  THREE  VERSES  ARE  A  "DEVOUR"  TO  PHYSICAL  DEATH,  THAT  SHOULD  BE  OBVIOUS  TO  ALL  COMMON  SENSE  READERS. THE  CONTEXT  USED  FOR  THE  WORD  DEVOUR  IN  THOSE  CONTEXTS  SHOULD  IT  IS  THE  PHYSICAL  BEING  TALKED  ABOUT  -  Keith Hunt


Wicked torn and broken.


Thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed

in pieces the enemy.

Exodus 15:6


The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces.

1 Samuel 2:10


Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2:9


Consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces.

Psalm 50:22


Righteous likewise.


He teareth me in his wrath; ... he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces; ... he cleaveth my reins asunder, and doth not spare; he poureth out my gall upon the ground. He breaketh me with breach upon breach.

Job 16:9,12-14

They break in pieces thy people, O Lord.

Psalm 94:5



Here language equally strong and intense is applied to the calamities befalling the righteous and the wicked. If in the former case extinction of existence is intended, why not in the latter case?


WELL  THE  FORMER  VERSES  COULD  BE  REFERRING  TO  THIS  LIFE,  AND  HOW  GOD  CAN  DEAL  WITH  PEOPLE.  PS. 2:9  IS  A PROPHECY  WHEN  THE  MESSIAH  COMES  AGAIN  TO  RULE  ALL  NATIONS,  SEE  THE  CONTEXT.  IF  ANY  REFER  TO  THE  FINAL  RESULT  OF  THE  WICKED,  THEY  CERTAINLY  ARE  GOING  TO  BE  BROKEN  IN  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE  AND  THE  SECOND  DEATH.  THE  LATTER  VERSES  ARE  ALSO  CLEARLY  IN  THE  CONTEXT  OF  THIS  PHYSICAL  LIFE  AND  WHAT  CAN  HAPPEN  EVEN  TO  GOD'S  PEOPLE  AT  TIMES  -  Keith Hunt


Wicked broken in pieces.


Associate yourselves, O ye people, and

ye shall be broken in pieces.

Isaiah 8:9



Objects broken, yet still existing.


The sacrifices of God are a broken

spirit: a broken and a contrite heart.

Psalm 51:17


And shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Daniel 7:23




To show the complete absurdity of insisting upon the literal interpretation of these and similar expressions, it need only be mentioned that Psalm 51:17, "A broken and a contrite heart," is, when rendered literally, "a heart broken in pieces and shivered."244

244 Professor Bartlett, "Life and Death Eternal," p.98


OBVIOUSLY  "BROKEN"  IN  IS.8:9  IS  IN  THIS  PHYSICAL  LIFE,  A  CONTEXT.  BROKEN  AS  USED  IN  PS. 51:17  AND  DAN. 7:23  IS  IN  ANOTHER  CONTEXT  ENTIRELY.  WORDS  HAVING  DIFFERENT  MEANS  IN  ACTUAL  APPLICATIONS.  THE  FIRST  IS  LITERAL  DEATH  AND  INJURY  ON  ISRAEL'S  ENEMIES.  THE  LATTER  ONE  IS  ALSO  PHYSICAL  DESTRUCTION  OF  SORTS  UPON  EARTH.  THE  PS. 51:7  IS  ANOTHER  USE  OF  THE  SAME  WORDS,  WHICH  AGAIN  OBVIOUSLY  DOES  NOT  CARRY  THE  SAME  MEANING  AS  USED  IN  THE  CONTEXT  OF  PHYSICAL  DESTRUCTION.  AND  NONE  OF  THESE  VERSES  HAVE  ANYTHING  TO  DO  WITH  THE  END  RESULT  OF  THE  UN-REPENTED  SINNERS  -  Keith Hunt



Wicked blotted out.


And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth: both man and beast, and the creeping thing.

Genesis 6:7


Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Exodus 32:33


Let them be blotted out of the book of the living.


Psalm 69:28 (29)



Things blotted out yet existing.


I will utterly put out the remembrance

of Amalek from under heaven.

Exodus 17:14

Blot out all mine iniquities.

Psalm 51:9 (11)


I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions.

Isaiah 44:22


Blotting    out    the    handwriting    of ordinances that was against us.


Colossians 2:14



In all the cases cited here from the Old Testament the expressions "destroy," "blotted out," "utterly put out," are translations of the Hebrew term "machah."

But this word does not imply annihilation; for when "sins" are "blotted out" they are not annihilated. A fact, a deed, is not susceptible of annihilation. It may be forgiven, perchance forgotten, but not recalled or undone.

When the "ordinances" of the Mosaic law were "blotted out," they did not cease to exist; they merely became inoperative. Nor does the declaration that God would "utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek" imply the extinction of that remembrance; for the declaration itself perpetuates that remembrance.


ONCE  MORE  IT  IS  CONTEXT,  AND  CONTEXT.  THE  FIRST  VERSE  IS  PHYSICAL.  THE  SECOND  VERSE  IS  EXTINCTION  FROM  GOD'S  BOOK.  IF  YOU  ARE  NOT  IN  IT,  YOU  ARE  EXTINCT  FROM  IT.  WHAT  THAT  MEANS  YOU'LL  HAVE  TO  SEARCH  THE  REST  OF  THE  BIBLE  TO  FIND  THE  END  RESULT  ON  THOSE  EXTINCT  FROM  GOD'S  BOOK.  SAME  GOES  FOR  PS. 69:28 (29).  AMALEK  BLOTTING  HAS  A  CONTEXT  ALSO.  THE  LAST  THREE  VERSES  ARE  AN  EXTINCTION;  TO  THINK  WE  ARE  UNDER  GRACE,  SINS  NO  MORE  REMEMBERED  AS  GOD  SAYS,  WASHED  AWAY  IN  JESUS'  BLOOD,  REMOVED  AS  FAR  AS  THE  EAST  IS  FROM  THE  WEST [WHEN  DOES  THAT  BEGIN  OR  END],  AND  YET  SOMEHOW  HANGS  ON,  HANGS  AROUND  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY…… THAT  IS  CRAZY  THEOLOGY,  AND  THE  ATHEISTS  WOULD  AGAIN  LAUGH  AT  SUCH  THEOLOGY  AND  WANT  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  IT.  WHEN  GOD  FORGIVES  SINS  THROUGH  THE  BLOOD  OF  CHRIST,  PUTS  US  UNDER  HIS  GRACE,  THOSE  SINS  ARE  GONE,  THEY  BECOME  EXTINCT.  SALVATION  IS  JUST  THAT  SIMPLE…. REPENT,  SINS  BECOME  EXTINCT  -  Keith Hunt



Wicked have an end.


Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever.

Numbers 24:20


The end of the wicked shall be cut off. 

                                                                                          Psalm 37:38

Whose end is destruction.

Philippians 3:19



The righteous also.


Let me die the death of the righteous,

and let my last end be like his!

Numbers 23:10


So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning.

Job 42:12

For the end of that man is peace.

Psalm 37:37



Does the word "end" necessarily imply termination of being? If so, the fate of the righteous would not be an enviable one.


LIKE  MANY  OTHER  WORDS  "END"  ALSO  HAS  A  CONTEXT,  AND  IT'S  MEANING  WILL  VARY  WITHIN  ANY  CONTEXT.  IF  YOU  WANT  TO  KNOW  THE  END  OF  THE  SINNER  AND  WICKED,  YOU  HAVE  TO  SEARCH  THE  WHOLE  BIBLE  TO  DISCOVER  THAT  TRUTH;  WHICH  YES   WILL  BE  DISCOVERING  IF  MANKIND  WAS  CREATED  WITH  SOME  INVISIBLE  PERSON  INSIDE  THE  PHYSICAL  PERSON,  THAT  CONTINUES  TO  LIVE  ON  AFTER  PHYSICAL  DEATH,  THINKING,  SPEAKING,  TALKING,  WALKING,  HEARING,  PRAISING  GOD [IF  IN  HEAVEN]  AND  WELL  THOSE  NOT  IN  HEAVEN….. PAINFULLY  MOURNING  IN  EVER-BURNING  HELL-FIRE,  OR  HANGING  OUT  IN  A  PURGATORY  LIMBO,  WAITING  FOR  SOMEONE  TO  PRAY  THEM  INTO  HEAVEN  OR  GIVE  MONEY  TO  THE  CHURCH  TO  MOVE  THEM  INTO  HEAVEN.  NO  WONDER  THE  ATHEISTS  LAUGH  AT  SUCH  THEOLOGY,  AND  WANT  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  THE  BIBLE  -  Keith Hunt



Wicked die; are dead.


And you hath he quickened, who were

dead in trespasses and sins.

Ephesians2:1


But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

1 Timothy 5:6


I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Revelation 3:1


Righteous die, are dead.


Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to

be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto

God.

Romans 6:11


I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

                                                                 

                                                                  1 Corinthians 15:31


For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 3:3



From these texts it is perfectly clear that persons may "die," and be "dead," yet all the while be physically alive and conscious. It follows that the phrase "living death," though scouted by certain writers, conveys, nevertheless, a perfectly reasonable and scriptural idea.

We have now passed rapidly in review the strongest, and apparently the most conclusive, proof-texts 245 adduced by annihilationists, and we reach the following results:


Those persons who undertake to build a doctrine upon the figures of poetry and of Oriental idiom are expending their labor just as wisely as they would be in endeavoring to make a pyramid stand upon its apex. Their foundation is inadequate, and their efforts nugatory.


FIGURES  OF  POETRY  OR  SO-CALLED  ORIENTAL  IDIOMS  ARE  FAR  FROM  BEING  USED  WHEN  INSPIRED  WRITERS  OF  THE  BOOKS  OF  THE  BIBLE,  TOLD  IS  IN  PLAIN  CLEAR  WORDS,  THE  STATE  OF  THE  DEAD.  ONLY  THOSE  WHO  TEACH  GOING  TO  HEAVEN  FOR  CHRISTIANS  AT  DEATH,  USE  SUCH  WEAK  AND  SILLY  ARGUMENTS.  THEN  IN  SO  HOLDING  THEY  MUST  ALSO  CONTINUE  TO  HOLD  THE  EVER  BURNING  HELL-FIRE,  FOR  SINNERS,  LIVING  IN  SOME  KIND  OF  MOURNING  IN  THE  FIRES  OF  HELL  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY.  NO  WONDER  ALL  CHURCHES  ARE  ON  THE  DECLINE;  ALL  EXCEPT  THE  ROMAN  CATHOLIC  CHURCH  AND  THE  TRUE  SABBATH  KEEPING  CHURCHES  OF  GOD.  THE  FORMER  IS  AN  INSTRUMENT  SATAN  THE  DEVIL  LIKE  TO  USE,  ESPECIALLY  USE,  SO  IT  INCREASES  -  Keith Hunt


As to the Hebrew terms rendered in our version, "consume," "cut off," "die," "destroy," "devour," "perish," and the like, neither in the original terms, nor in their English equivalents, nor in the connection in which they stand, is there inherent force or aught else which necessitates, or even warrants, the interpretation of them as implying annihilation, extinction of consciousness, or cessation of existence.


OH  YES  INDEED,  WITHIN  CERTAIN  CONTEXT,  WHICH  AGAIN  MEANS  THE  SEARCHER  FOR  TRUTH  HAS  TO  FIND  IN  THE  REST  OF  THE  BIBLE,  AS  TO  THE  NATURE  OF  MANKIND;  CREATED  IMMORTAL [TO  CONTINUE  LIVING, THINKING, HEARING, SPEAKING, ACTING, SEEING]  TO  LIVE  ON  EITHER  IN  HEAVEN  OR  HELL-FIRE  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY  -  Keith Hunt


On the literalistic hypothesis these words prove too much, and so prove nothing. For they would prove that the Messiah was annihilated at his crucifixion; that the righteous are annihilated at death; that after the Israelites had annihilated themselves there was still "help" for them; with all manner of similar absurdities.


NOPE  NOT  AT  ALL,  FOR  EACH  TIME  SUCH  WORDS  ARE  USED  THERE  IS  A  CONTEXT  AS  TO   HOW  IT  IS  BEING  USED  -  Keith Hunt


Instruments


Shame and disgrace.


Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let tbem be put to shame.

Psalm 83:17


Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:2


Friend, how earnest thou in hither, not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Matthew 22:12


Of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mark 8:38


A whirlwind.


A whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

Jeremiah 23:19


For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.

Hosea 8:7



These and the subsequent texts illustrate different aspects or relations of the punishment which will overtake the wicked.


A worm.


Where their worm dieth not, and the

fire is not quenched.

                                                               Mark 9:44 (also 46, 48)


A tempest


Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest.

Psalm 11:6


So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. 


                                                                                             Psalm 83:15


Darkness.


But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there

shall  be  weeping  and  gnashing   of teeth.  


                                                                                           Matthew 8:12 



Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness.

Matthew 22:13


And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness.

Matthew 25:30



Fire.

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The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire.

Matthew 13:41-42


Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:41


And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:15



"Darkness" is, in one respect, and "fire" in another respect, a fit emblem of the punishment.

Dr. J. P. Thompson:246 "The laws of language require us to understand from these very metaphors, that the future state of the ungodly will be one of conscious and irremediable misery—the 'darkness' of banishment from God, the 'unquenchable fires' of memory, the 'undying worm' of remorse—a state of mental anguish prefigured by physical emblems."

It seems impossible to weigh carefully the foregoing words of scripture, without the resulting conviction that the ruin and overthrow which are threatened to the incorrigible, will be swift, terrible, and remediless.


ONCE  AGAIN  THE  CATHOLICS  AND  PROTESTANTS  JUST  CAN'T  SEE  THE  TRUTH  OF  LIGHT,  BUT  HAVE  TO  STAY  WITH  THIS  BURNING,  ANGUISHING,  PHYSICAL  AND  MENTAL  PAIN  FOR  LOST  SINNERS,  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY  DOCTRINE.  THIS  IS  PART  OF  WHY  THE  BIBLE  HAS  BECOME  AS  "NOTHING"  TO  THE  MAJORITY  OF  THE  WESTERN  WORLD,  AND  TO  THE  YOUNGER  GENERATION.  RIGHTLY  SO  THEY  CANNOT  UNDERSTAND  A  GOD  THAT  WOULD  PUNISH  PEOPLE  LITERALLY  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY  _  Keith Hunt



Degrees


Same for all.


And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

Matthew 20:9-12



Different gradations. 


It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 10:15



Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:41


And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:15


It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

Matthew 11:22


And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

Luke 12:47-48


Who will render to every man according to his deeds.

Romans 2:6


That every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 


                                                                                    2 Corinthians 5:10



And death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:13



The first series of passages sets forth the general fact of future awards, without going into details; the second specifies the degrees or differences of retribution. Some have supposed that the parable in Matthew 20 is designed to teach "the equality of rewards," and, by implication, that of punishments. Trench interprets it better, as intended to "rebuke the spirit of self-exalting comparison of ourselves with others, and to emphasize the fact that the saints' reward is to be of grace, not of works." Alford takes a similar view.

May not, however, the teaching of the parable be simply this: In cases where the opportunity to act is wanting, God rewards the disposition in the same manner as he would have done the action itself

The absolute equality of rewards or of punishments is not implied in this parable. As Whately 247 observes: "We may be sure there will be no want of mansions, or of suitable variety of mansions, either in the place of reward or of punishment."


Duration


Unending.


Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 3:12


Will terminate.


I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 45:23

247 Future State, p. 171.



Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Matthew 12:32


And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:46


But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.248

Mark 3:29


He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36


And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night.


                                                                 Revelation 14:10-11


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10


And thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Matthew 5:25-26


That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, . . . and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Philippians 2:10-11



That the texts fairly imply the endless duration of future punishment, we have no doubt. The question is: Do those at the right militate against the doctrine? Such expressions as "unquenchable 249 fire," "not forgiven, neither

248 Griesbach, Lachmann, Alford, Tregelles, Tischendorf, and Meyer apparently, read "eternal sin.'This reading, sustained as it is by the best critical authorities, affords a very strong incidental proof of the endless duration of future punishment. Eternal sin is eternal punishment. In this view, Mark 3:29 is one of the most fearfully significant passages in the New Testament. "Eternal sin!" Who can fathom the meaning of these words?


249 The Greek term is defined by Liddell and Scott thus: "Unquenched, inextinguishable, endless, ceaseless." Upon this point annlhilationist writers assert that the fire will be "unquenchable" until it has consumed the chaff and will then go out, of itself. We refrain from comment. The argument derived by annihilationists from Matthew 3:12, is peculiarly suicidal. From the fact that the wicked are symbolized by "chaff," it is inferred that they will be literally burned to ashes, as chaff is. An equally valid inference from the fact that the righteous are represented by "wheat," would be that they are stored up in the garner, to be disposed of exactly as wheat is!


in this world, neither in the world to come," "everlasting punishment,"250 "in danger of eternal sin," the "wrath of God abideth on him," "the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever," strongly imply unending misery. Such is their fair, legitimate meaning. It may be added, as the subjoined note evinces, that, if these expressions do not legitimately convey this idea, then it would seem impossible to prove from the scriptures the eternity of anything; impossible, also, to express in the Greek language the notion itself of endless duration.


THE  BIBLE  IS  VERY  PLAIN  ON  THE  NATURE  OF  MANKIND;  IT  IS  VERY  CLEAR  ON  THE  PUNISHMENT  OF  UN-REPENTANT  SINNERS,  A  SECOND  DEATH  IN  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE,  FROM  WHICH  THERE  IS  NO  RESURRECTION.  THE  BIBLE  IS  ALSO  CLEAR  ON  THE  RESURRECTION  TO  IMMORTAL  LIFE  OF  GOD'S  SAINTS,  AND  TO  THEIR  RECEIVING  A  REWARD  FOR  WHAT  THEY  DID  WITH  WHAT  THEY  WERE GIVEN.  YES  THE  PUNISHMENT  FOR  SINNERS  WILL  BE  FOR  ETERNITY.  THEY  WILL  BURN  UP  AND  BE  ASHES,  BURN  UP  IN  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE  AND  BE  EXTINCT  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY.  WHILE  THE  RIGHTEOUS,  THOSE  INHERITING  SALVATION  AND  IMMORTALITY,  WILL  LIVE  IN  GLORY  WITH  THE  FATHER  AND  HIS  SON  CHRIST  JESUS  FOR  ALL  ETERNITY,  ON  A  NEW  EARTH  PLANET,  AS  FORETOLD  IN  REVELATION  21,  22.  THESE  TRUTH  CAN  BE  FOUND;  THEY  ARE  EXPOUNDED  FOR  YOU  IN  MANY  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt



The quotations from Isaiah and Philippians simply assert that all men shall, sooner or later, acknowledge the sovereignty of God. But while some do this in love, others may do it in wrath and terror. The subjugation of rebels neither invariably removes their inward hostility, nor transforms them into loyal subjects.

The text from Matthew 5 is a caution against litigation, an exhortation to settle difficulties previous to legal process, whenever practicable. There is probably in this place no direct reference to future punishment.\


Salvation—Extent


All Israel saved.


And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Romans 11:26


Only a portion saved.


But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there

shall  be  weeping   and  gnashing  of teeth.

Matthew 8:12

250 In Matthew 25:46, the same Greek adjective, akbvioc,, is applied both to "punishment" and to "life." Hence it seems a reasonable inference that the "punishment," and the life are of parallel duration. As to the words akbv and akbvioc;, which, in their various modifications and combinations, are, in our version, rendered "eternal," "everlasting," "forever," "forever and ever," a very interesting discussion may be found in Professor Stuart's Essay on Future Punishment, pp. 56, 66 (new edition). He, following Knapp's Greek text, finds akbv ninety-four times in the New Testament. In fifty-five of these instances, he says the word "certainly means an unlimited period of duration either future or past, ever, always." If we include those cases in which the term refers to future punishment, and to the dominion of the Messiah, we have, says Stuart, sixty-four cases out of ninety-four in which the word means "unlimited period, boundless duration." The same author finds akbv sixty-six times. Of these, fifty-one are used in relation to the happiness of the righteous; two, in relation to God or his glory; six are of a miscellaneous nature, but the meaning in them all is quite clear; and seven relate to the subject of future punishment. [It should be added that Briider's Concordance, latest edition, gives akbv one hundred and six times, and akbvioc; seventy-one times. Probably, however, the proportion remains the same]. In view of these facts, we may conclude with Professor Stuart, that, if these expressions do not fairly imply the eternity of future punishment, "then the scriptures do not decide that God is eternal, nor that the happiness of the righteous is without end, nor that his covenant of grace will always remain, a conclusion which would forever blast the hopes of Christians, and shroud in more than midnight darkness all the glories of the gospel."

SURE  THE  PUNISHMENT  IS  ETERNAL,  FOREVER.  THE  QUESTION  IS  FOR  THE  RESEARCHER  OF  TRUTH,  WHAT  IS  THAT  PUNISHMENT?  IT  IS  THE  CATHOLIC  AND  PROTESTANT  IDEA  OF  MISERY  IN  HELL-FIRE,  OR  BURNING  UP  AND  BECOMING  EXTINCT  BY  BEING  THROWN  INTO  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE?  STUDIES  ON  THIS  WEBSITE  PROVE  THE  LATTER  IS  TRUE,  AND  THE  CATHOLICS  AND  PROTESTANTS  ARE  WRONG  -  Keith Hunt  


Alford, De Wette, Meyer, Tholuck, and others take the first text as implying a "future national restoration of Israel to God's favor." Or it may be taken as referring to the spiritual Israel; for "he is a Jew which is one inwardly" 251 All of the true Israel will be saved, while many of the nominal will perish.


IT  IS  A  "GENERAL  STATEMENT"  ONLY;  TIME  WILL  TELL  IF  EVERY  LAST  SINGLE  PERSON  IN  ISRAEL  WILL  BE  IN  THE  KINGDOM  OF  GOD.  AND  ONLY  TIME  WILL  TELL  HOW  MANY  WILL  END  UP  IN  THE  LAKE  OF  FIRE  -  Keith Hunt



All men saved.


Until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets.

Acts 3:21


For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Romans 11:32


For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

                                                                  1 Corinthians 15:22


God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


                                                                                      1 Timothy 2:3-4 



The living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1 Timothy 4:10


For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.

Titus 2:11


Not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9



Some not saved.


The wicked shall be turned into hell,

and all the nations that forget God.

Psalm 9:17


Salvation is far from the wicked.

Psalm 119:155


The wicked is driven away in his wickedness.

Proverbs 14:32


There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Isaiah 57:21


All the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts.

Malachi 4:1


The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire.

Matthew 13:41-42


And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Acts 13:48


But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. 


                                                                                         Revelation 21:8



Let us examine the texts at the left, and ascertain whether they teach the actual salvation of all mankind. Hackett, with Meyer and De Wette, interprets the first citation of the restoration of all things to a "state of primeval order, purity, and happiness, such as will exist for those who have part in the kingdom of Christ at his second coming."

251 Romans 2:29.



Murdock's version of the Syriac gives the passage a different turn, thus: "Until the completion of the times of those things which God hath spoken." The Arabic has, "Until the times which establish the perfection or completion of all the predictions of the prophets."

Adam Clarke, Barnes, Dr. Jonathan Edwards, 252 and others concur in this latter explanation. Obviously, neither this nor the former one implies the salvation of all men.

On Romans 11:32 Alford says that it brings to view Gods act, and not man's. The ultimate difference between the "all men" shut up under disobedience and the "all men" upon whom mercy is shown, lies in the fact that by some men this mercy is not accepted, and so they become self-excluded from the salvation of God.

The text from 1 Corinthians refers simply to physical death and resurrection. "As Adam caused the physical death of all men, so Christ will effect the resurrection of all." This is the view of Alford, Barnes, De Wette, Meyer, and others.

The citations from 1 Timothy 2 and 2 Peter assert the "wish" or "will" of God that all men should be saved. But this by no means proves that all will be saved. For some things which would be pleasing to God, agreeable to his will, do not take place. For example, he "now commandeth all men everywhere to repent." 253 Need it be said that universal obedience to this command, though it would be agreeable to the divine will, does not exist? Hence, the texts in question, while setting forth the benevolent "wish" or "will" of God, do not intimate that all men will comply with that "will."

First Timothy 4:10 terms God "the Saviour of all men." He is such, in that he preserves their lives, and grants them the day and means of grace.

Titus 2:11 asserts, indeed, that the grace of God bringeth, proffereth, salvation to all men, but does not imply that this "salvation" is forced upon them.

It is clear that none of the foregoing texts, fairly interpreted, support the doctrine of universal salvation.


Earth—Destruction


Indestructible.


The earth which he hath established for ever.

Psalm 78:69


Who laid the  foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. 

            

                                                                                             Psalm 104:5



Will be destroyed.


Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment

Psalm 102:25-26

252Works, i. 284. 253 Acts 17:30.



The earth abideth for ever.

Ecclesiastes 1:4


Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 21:33


The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:10


The earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


Revelation 20:11



As to the first texts, the Hebrew word "olam" rendered "forever," does not imply the metaphysical idea of absolute endlessness, but a period of indefinite length, as Rambach says, "a very long time, the end of which is hidden from us." These texts do not necessarily teach the absolute perpetuity of the earth.

Of the opposed texts, that from Psalm 102 is a kind of comparison between the eternity of God and the dependent existence of material objects: "Though they should perish, thou shalt stand." Similarly Luke: "Though heaven and earth should pass away, my words shall not pass away." That is, my words are more enduring than even heaven and earth.

The quotations from Peter and Revelation imply that the present constitution of things will be changed; that "the cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, the solemn temples, and the great globe itself" will be subjected to the action of fire. This opinion prevailed among the ancient philosophers, especially the Greek stoics.254

The passages which speak of the destruction of the earth may therefore he taken as referring to the change or passing away of its present form; those which speak of its durability, as implying the permanence of its constituent dements.


THERE  WILL  INDEED  COME  FORTH  FROM  THIS  EARTH,  A  NEW  EARTH;  THEN  GOD  THE  FATHER  WILL  COME  TO  THIS  NEW  EARTH,  TO  BE  WITH  HIS  CHILDREN,  AS  REVELATION  21  TELLS  US.  WHAT  GLORY  AND  MAJESTY  WILL  BE  ETERNITY  WHEN  ALL  THIS  COMES  TO  PASS  -  Keith Hunt


Heaven—Occupants


Christ only.


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 3:13

Elijah also.


Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

2 Kings 2:11

254 See Wetstein, on 2 Peter 3:7.



In the first text Jesus, setting forth his own superior authority, says, substantially, "No human being can speak from personal knowledge, as I do, who came down from heaven." "No man hath ascended up to heaven to bring back tidings" So we, speaking of the secrets of the future world, should very naturally say: "No man has been there to tell us about them." In saying this, we do not deny that any one has actually entered the eternal world, but merely that any one has gone thither, and returned to unfold its mysteries.

Alford applies, however, the words "hath ascended" to Christ's "exaltation to be a Prince and a Saviour."

The former explanation seems the most natural.


THE  NATURAL  ONE  IS  TO  BELIEVE  JUST  WHAT  JESUS  SAID,  NO  MAN  HAS  GONE  TO  HEAVEN,  ONLY  HE  THAT  CAME  DOWN  FROM  HEAVEN.  ELIJAH  DID  NOT  GO  TO  GOD  IN  HEAVEN.  MOSES  IS  NOT  IN  HEAVEN.  ENOCH  DID  NOT  GO  TO  HEAVEN.  SEE  THE  STUDY  "ENOCH,  MOSES,  ELIJAH  -  DID  THEY  GO  TO  HEAVEN?"  -  Keith Hunt




Flesh and blood excluded. 


Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

                                                                  1 Corinthians 15:50



Enoch there.


Enoch was translated that he should not see death.

Hebrews 11:5



A late sceptical writer adduces this and the preceding as cases of discrepancy. It need only be said that, beyond question, Enoch and Elijah, before entering the heavenly world, passed through a change equivalent to death. Their corruptible put on incorruption, and their mortal put on immortality.


NOPE  THEY  DID  NOT,  AS  THEY  NEVER  WENT  TO  GOD'S  HEAVEN  AT  ALL  -  Keith Hunt



Publicans and harlots enter.


The publicans and the harlots go into

the kingdom of God before you.

Matthew 21:31


Impure not there.


Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


                                                                 1 Corinthians 6:9-10



The first text does not say that publicans and harlots as such, but merely that some who had been such, and had afterwards repented, should enter heaven. Paul, in the verse succeeding the quotation from Corinthians, observes: "And such were some of you, but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified." They had been corrupt and wicked, but were so no longer. Observe, also, that our Savior's assertion amounts simply to this, "The publicans and harlots are more likely to be saved, stand a better chance for salvation, than do you, chief priests and elders."

Neither this passage, nor any other, sanctions the idea of impurity tolerated in heaven.



Employments


Incessant praise.


And they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Revelation 4:8


Rest and quiet


There remaineth therefore a rest to the

people of God.

Hebrews 4:9


Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours.

Revelation 14:13



The two cases are quite different; the former is that of the four wonderful "living creatures," the latter that of departed believers. Moreover, the "rest" attributed to departed saints is "rest from their labors"—from every thing painful and wearisome—but not a "rest" of dormant inactivity, precluding enjoyment, praise, and glorified service.

………………..


THIS  HAS  BEEN  A  VERY  LONG  STUDY;  I  SHOULD  SAY  A  START  TO  A  STUDY,  AS  THE  SUBJECTS  OF  MANKIND,  THE  SPIRIT  IN  MAN,  WAS  MANKIND  CREATED  IMMORTAL,  DEATH  AND  THEN  WHAT,  RESURRECTIONS,  SALVATION,  REWARDS  -  ALL  TAKE  MUCH  TIME  TO  RESEARCH  AND  STUDY  -  Keith Hunt